Hello all,
I'm having another problem with the Sony TA-N55ES i'm trying to restore.
I set the dc offset (bias) to the 7mv for both channels.
When i turn the volume up to just over halfway (1 to 2 o'clock position) with no load connected to both channels i get a sudden dc voltage increase to 46.55mv (i think), on the left channel which keeps increasing until in turn the volume pot down to halfway.
The right channel has 18mv at the same volume position, which i would think is normal as you turn the volume up.
The voltage is measured from the dc offset test points on the main board.
I have changed the front panel pcb board and main output transistors with genuine Sanken replacements, and swapped the 'A class board' for a known working board.
My dim bulb tester i use has a 150w lamp which lights fairly bright when increasing the volume past 1 or 2 o'clock position.
Can anybody help with some pointers on what is happening?
Thanks in advance.
I'm having another problem with the Sony TA-N55ES i'm trying to restore.
I set the dc offset (bias) to the 7mv for both channels.
When i turn the volume up to just over halfway (1 to 2 o'clock position) with no load connected to both channels i get a sudden dc voltage increase to 46.55mv (i think), on the left channel which keeps increasing until in turn the volume pot down to halfway.
The right channel has 18mv at the same volume position, which i would think is normal as you turn the volume up.
The voltage is measured from the dc offset test points on the main board.
I have changed the front panel pcb board and main output transistors with genuine Sanken replacements, and swapped the 'A class board' for a known working board.
My dim bulb tester i use has a 150w lamp which lights fairly bright when increasing the volume past 1 or 2 o'clock position.
Can anybody help with some pointers on what is happening?
Thanks in advance.
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Check for C302 and C304 first, or replace them straightaway.
If in mono both channels the same large offset occurs, check C102 & IC101 in the pre-inverter stage.
If in mono both channels the same large offset occurs, check C102 & IC101 in the pre-inverter stage.
Replace C302/C352 for possible leakage. While you are in there, also replace C304/C354.
The electrolytic capacitors are much, much, more likely than the semis to be bad.
Don't ever replace semis unless they actually test as defective.
The electrolytic capacitors are much, much, more likely than the semis to be bad.
Don't ever replace semis unless they actually test as defective.
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Thanks for the reply's .
I'm not sure if it counts but i have already replaced the whole 'A Class' board with a known working board as mentioned in the original post.. I still get the dc problem with the known good replacement 'A Class' board.
Could it be component on 'main' board ? Filter caps or main output transistor? (even though the output transistors are new )
I did test the filter caps and they appear in serviceable shape, (did not remove them from main board to test)
Maybe worth running the soldering iron over solder points on left channel ?
I'm not sure if it counts but i have already replaced the whole 'A Class' board with a known working board as mentioned in the original post.. I still get the dc problem with the known good replacement 'A Class' board.
Could it be component on 'main' board ? Filter caps or main output transistor? (even though the output transistors are new )
I did test the filter caps and they appear in serviceable shape, (did not remove them from main board to test)
Maybe worth running the soldering iron over solder points on left channel ?
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If the setting of the volume control directly affects the DC offset, the input capacitors must be leaking.
Otherwise, the control could not and would not have an effect on the DC offset.
Otherwise, the control could not and would not have an effect on the DC offset.
The series capacitors directly after the volume control.
You could swap them between channels, if only one channel has the symptom,
to see if the DC offset problem changes channels.
The sudden increase at a particular volume point strongly suggests oscillation - decoupling caps may have dried out. Oscillation can have only a small effect on output audio, but always causes jumps in offset and power consumption. Undiagnosed oscillation can destroy an amp if there's a load connected, or even if not due to cross-conduction.
Do you mean the decoupling caps on the main board or the ones after the volume control on the 'a class' board?
The volume point that the dc increase happens appears to vary (never affects less than the 12 o'clock position though) most times when the amp is turned off and on or when cold.
The volume point that the dc increase happens appears to vary (never affects less than the 12 o'clock position though) most times when the amp is turned off and on or when cold.
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No easy way to say which caps - if the impedance of a voltage rail to ground gets too large it may serve as an unexpected positive feedback path creating oscillations.
There could be other ways an oscillation is formed too.
Is the onset sensitive to the source signal level as well as the volume control?
There could be other ways an oscillation is formed too.
Is the onset sensitive to the source signal level as well as the volume control?
Thanks for all your reply's.
I have replaced capacitors c352 and c302 and the 38v dc (which slowly rises) now appears at the 4 o'clock position on the volume dial.
I have been checking the capacitors on the 'a class' board, i found that if i ground one probe of my multi meter to the amp ground and probe the top casings of the capacitors with the other prob on the 'a class' board i get significant DC from the following capacitors.
C307 - 51v
C408 - 26v
C410 - 9v
The rest of the capacitors have measured with very low DC in MV from their casings.
I'm suspecting that these capacitors are the leaky ones ?
I have replaced capacitors c352 and c302 and the 38v dc (which slowly rises) now appears at the 4 o'clock position on the volume dial.
I have been checking the capacitors on the 'a class' board, i found that if i ground one probe of my multi meter to the amp ground and probe the top casings of the capacitors with the other prob on the 'a class' board i get significant DC from the following capacitors.
C307 - 51v
C408 - 26v
C410 - 9v
The rest of the capacitors have measured with very low DC in MV from their casings.
I'm suspecting that these capacitors are the leaky ones ?
No, these should have DC voltages on them, since they are bypass capacitors, not coupling capacitors.
However, the R402 may be defective as it seems to be dropping too much voltage and not allowing
the voltage regulator to function. Check its resistance value after lifting one end, it should be 3.3k.
If you need to replace it, use a 3 watt part.
However, the R402 may be defective as it seems to be dropping too much voltage and not allowing
the voltage regulator to function. Check its resistance value after lifting one end, it should be 3.3k.
If you need to replace it, use a 3 watt part.
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Connecting source input leads to the input seems to stop the dc. When i disconnect the source input leads i get the dc back??
Connecting a speaker and turning the volume up slowly to max (still with source input leads connected, no source) i get loud hum.
Connecting a phone to the source input the hum gets quieter but is still there.
Connecting a speaker and turning the volume up slowly to max (still with source input leads connected, no source) i get loud hum.
Connecting a phone to the source input the hum gets quieter but is still there.
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The testing in post 14 was carried out on the right channel with the left channel main output transistors disconnected
The above has no effect on the left channel, i still get dc on the left when increasing the volume .
The above has no effect on the left channel, i still get dc on the left when increasing the volume .
When retesting the right channel with the method in post 14 with left channel main output transistors connected i get dc on both left and right channels when i turn the volume to 2 o'clock position. but always more DC on the left.
There is still a problem there, because the -12V regulator has dropped out of regulation.
Do you have a scope?
Yes, i have a scope.
From where are the regulators fed from ?
It looks as though they are fed from the main board via the jumper board?
From where are the regulators fed from ?
It looks as though they are fed from the main board via the jumper board?
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ANY amplifier with NO source/load connected will naturally HUM because it's operating UNloaded - aka WIDE OPEN.
Shorting the inputs with shorting plugs or clip leads is how testing is done for noise levels and/or voltage checks - turning UP the volume should only result in a minimal noise floor, or silence, from the speakers.