Is it possible to put the fostex 206en drivers in a bookshelf type enclosure? After moving to a smaller flat, the recommended fostex RLH cabinets are no longer acceptable to my better half! What's the smallest box I could put them in and still sound good? I need some near field monitor type speakers for producing music (hobby), would it be a really bad idea to use these drivers? I could use a software package (ARC) to flatten the response although I'm sure this would be highly disapproved of! For nostalgic reasons I'd prefer to keep these drivers but if it isn't a good idea they'll just have to go..
Thanks!
Thanks!
Fostex has a recommended ported cabinet for this driver towards the bottom of this file.
http://www.madisound.com/loudspeaker_specifications/FE206En.pdf
I have a couple of other suggestions you may or may not like:
• You can use one of your BLH speakers and play only mono. I set my iPad and iPhone to mono and listen to only one speaker these days because of reduced space.
• You can seal these drivers up in small boxes and use a powered sub to fill in the bass.
Good luck and keep us posted on what you decide to do.
Zilla
http://www.madisound.com/loudspeaker_specifications/FE206En.pdf
I have a couple of other suggestions you may or may not like:
• You can use one of your BLH speakers and play only mono. I set my iPad and iPhone to mono and listen to only one speaker these days because of reduced space.
• You can seal these drivers up in small boxes and use a powered sub to fill in the bass.
Good luck and keep us posted on what you decide to do.
Zilla
How about approaching this from the other side - i.e. just how large an enclosure can you see yourself accommodating, and are you committed to Fostex and this size of driver?
If the room is much smaller, you might well get away with a smaller driver ( 6" or so), and within the Fostex line are a couple of candidates that can work very well in much smaller enclosures than even the 206 BR referenced above. I'm thinking of the FF165WK, or even FF125WK - then there's the latest offerings by Mark Audio - Alpair10P and 10.3M. I've heard all of these in a variety of enclosures, and could probably live with whichever of them passed the WAF test.
In other words, for nostalgic reasons, perhaps keep the drivers in storage until conditions change again, and consider alternate drivers? .
If the room is much smaller, you might well get away with a smaller driver ( 6" or so), and within the Fostex line are a couple of candidates that can work very well in much smaller enclosures than even the 206 BR referenced above. I'm thinking of the FF165WK, or even FF125WK - then there's the latest offerings by Mark Audio - Alpair10P and 10.3M. I've heard all of these in a variety of enclosures, and could probably live with whichever of them passed the WAF test.
In other words, for nostalgic reasons, perhaps keep the drivers in storage until conditions change again, and consider alternate drivers? .
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>>> Thanks for the suggestions. Really like the idea of using one as a mono speaker, radio style.
You're welcome. I don't see going back to stereo for quite some time. I have adjusted to mono because it's easy when using an iPad as the source. I enjoy just having one speaker producing sound. It's not as enveloping an experience but you certainly can enjoy the performance. It sounds like the performance is happening 'over there' rather than left/right and all around you.
>>> In other words, for nostalgic reasons, perhaps keep the drivers in storage until conditions change again, and consider alternate drivers?
This is another good idea. I have a bunch of drivers safely in storage stacked in a closet and just recently pulled an older Fostex 168s (whizzer cone), designed a small ported box for it and am enjoying it right now. It does so many things right and reminds me of why I got into this hobby in the first place.
Having good drivers in storage allows you to think about different projects (sealed, ported, blh, ob, etc...) and when you have more room for speakers you can pull the drivers, build and enjoy.
Zilla
You're welcome. I don't see going back to stereo for quite some time. I have adjusted to mono because it's easy when using an iPad as the source. I enjoy just having one speaker producing sound. It's not as enveloping an experience but you certainly can enjoy the performance. It sounds like the performance is happening 'over there' rather than left/right and all around you.
>>> In other words, for nostalgic reasons, perhaps keep the drivers in storage until conditions change again, and consider alternate drivers?
This is another good idea. I have a bunch of drivers safely in storage stacked in a closet and just recently pulled an older Fostex 168s (whizzer cone), designed a small ported box for it and am enjoying it right now. It does so many things right and reminds me of why I got into this hobby in the first place.
Having good drivers in storage allows you to think about different projects (sealed, ported, blh, ob, etc...) and when you have more room for speakers you can pull the drivers, build and enjoy.
Zilla
If you want any decent bass, then a horn is required for the FE206. Or big EQ and a big loss in dynamics, loudnss capability,
With the scheme i use to get optimum quality bass in a reflex, 9 litres will get you about 100 Hz.
dave
With the scheme i use to get optimum quality bass in a reflex, 9 litres will get you about 100 Hz.
dave
Must. Resist.
Ah yes, fortunately, you've inquired-within!
You must temporarily (and with-dispatch!) procure a pair of Cornwalls and set them up in a place of high-traffic.
When they eventually (cough) are noticed, you must immediately launch into a diatribe about your own dedication & sacrifice while displaying a picture of Cornwalls next to Khorns (bonus points for tears on-demand) explaining how you've already surrendered 2 levels of What's Important To You. (In a pinch, a single Autograph, Imperial, Hartsfield, or Patrician can serve to buy time if you explain that the 2nd unit hasn't arrived-yet).
Hmmmmm--because this sounds dire, here--use these (would credit originators but...very long day on 2.5hrs sleep--others will recall proper sources to credit (thanks!))
That's an entry move to explain how khorns are ALREADY a sacrifice from the californian or 4-d that you REALLY REALLY WANTED (erm could pan-out as a suicide-move -- yer call -- parlay as you see-fit ).
Of the myriad Smart things (I think?) GM has written, he once said something like "in audio, less is always less".
Every cubic foot under 20 a side is worth fighting-for! After all, you know where the slippery-slope stops! Just because it's only one-speaker, doesn't mean it has to be small!
Ah yes, fortunately, you've inquired-within!
You must temporarily (and with-dispatch!) procure a pair of Cornwalls and set them up in a place of high-traffic.
When they eventually (cough) are noticed, you must immediately launch into a diatribe about your own dedication & sacrifice while displaying a picture of Cornwalls next to Khorns (bonus points for tears on-demand) explaining how you've already surrendered 2 levels of What's Important To You. (In a pinch, a single Autograph, Imperial, Hartsfield, or Patrician can serve to buy time if you explain that the 2nd unit hasn't arrived-yet).
Hmmmmm--because this sounds dire, here--use these (would credit originators but...very long day on 2.5hrs sleep--others will recall proper sources to credit (thanks!))
That's an entry move to explain how khorns are ALREADY a sacrifice from the californian or 4-d that you REALLY REALLY WANTED (erm could pan-out as a suicide-move -- yer call -- parlay as you see-fit ).
Of the myriad Smart things (I think?) GM has written, he once said something like "in audio, less is always less".
Every cubic foot under 20 a side is worth fighting-for! After all, you know where the slippery-slope stops! Just because it's only one-speaker, doesn't mean it has to be small!
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I haven't heard it but Horst's Trumpet-Sat looks like a nifty design (his picture is above, here is the web page):
Trumpet-Sat
However you'll need a woofer.
Trumpet-Sat
However you'll need a woofer.
grindstone - you might want to recalibrate your meds, or definitely get more than 2 hrs sleep before punching the post button. (been there) 😀
none of your entertaining ramble addressed the OP's query as to whether the 206 can deliver (uncompromised full bandwidth performance) in "small cabinet" - the extent of such diminution not as yet defined? - it would appear that the short answer is "no"
none of your entertaining ramble addressed the OP's query as to whether the 206 can deliver (uncompromised full bandwidth performance) in "small cabinet" - the extent of such diminution not as yet defined? - it would appear that the short answer is "no"
Also, the FE206 may be too much of a good thing for a small living room. Perhaps check designs for a pair smaller Markaudio that will have ok bass in a small cabinet (at the price of maximum loudness).
BTW, nothing wrong with mono but give me a compact stereo pair any day, the threedimensionality is for me an important aspect.
BTW, nothing wrong with mono but give me a compact stereo pair any day, the threedimensionality is for me an important aspect.
Chris, sure, I was making some fun. Bombast matches the surrealism of life after very long days preceded by little sleep.
With apology to the OP for soiling an earnest thread, my first response was entirely going to be
"I'm going to miss that <better_half>"
but that seemed insufficiently detailed.
Life's too short & music is too-important. If it's important to you and the support is light on that, well, that's a big topic that sorts as age-dependent sooooo "nevermind" that fork, either.
If trying to beat physics is the game in-itself--hey--by all means (and with my sincere congratulations) enjoy the journey (got some hours into that, myself). If the room won't support what they can do, sure--that's another very real consideration.
If, however, you like your existing (suddenly "Large" By Recent Decree) speakers, use equal creativity to keep them as you might to replace them.
That's the point.
Observing sales professionals, I've noticed that creativity applied to rejecting/reframing/replacing premises saves vast amounts of reengineering. It's magic 🙂
Never surrender a cubic foot w/o trying magic first.
< To the OP: You know your deal best, so, if this is (say) the last move in a complicated multi-year maneuver for a boat or something -- well, soldier-on! As an atomic action, though, if you have speakers that you enjoy, do not give them up lightly. >
Next stop is "this soundbar is too big".
errata: proper quote was "...less is always less in acoustics"
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/subwoofers/161332-need-info-operating-below-fc.html#post2091630
In a small room there is allways the option to use a low Q closed box and then use EQ to boost the bass to flatten it. There is no freee lunch as always, in this case more power to the driver and limitations of cone motion. However if you have a small room, neither cone motion nor power should limit the 8" Fostex drivers. That is if you EQ them down to 40-50 Hz, if you go for 20 Hz you will kill your drivers before you hear 20 Hz...
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