Power Supply Upgrade

Just purchased a Cambridge Audio 540P phono stage which is surprisingly very good for the money but I think the weak link that I want to address initially is the wall-wart style power supply.

It's rated at the typical UK ac mains input voltage and the output voltage is 12v AC 500mA.

Can anyone help direct me to a kit or project that you, the DIY'er have already built that would offer a suitable upgrade?

I would also need details on power cable upgrade from the new PSU to the phono amp which at the moment is via bell-wire terminated with a DC style power jack pin.

Thanks.
 

Bas Horneman

diyAudio Moderator Emeritus
2002-04-03 12:03 am
The Netherlands
Hi,

Since the rectification and smoothing takes place inside the phono amp (and possibly regulation). I would stop worrying about improving the psu...as it pretty smart taking the transformer outside of the phono amp. If the transformer was onboard a tweak would probably have been to take it out and use a wallwart ;)

The only way to improve it then would be to get a similar rated transformer that was quieter..and then you would have to put it in a box...a lot of extra expenditure for a tiny improvement if any.

Regards,
Bas
 
well, plugging the wall-wart into an EMI filter would probably help -- you can "liberate" the filter components from an ATX supply or build one yourself. The usual circuit consists of a bifilar wound choke, and 3 capacitors -- look at the front end of this circuit:
[IMGDEAD]http://www.tech-diy.com/LM4780_Bridged/bridged4780_powersupply.gif[/IMGDEAD]

depends on the amount of noise and harmonics on your power line -- in my area this becomes a problem during the summer when air conditioners are cycling on and off, etc.
 
Thanks for the replies but I have to say that I agree with other opinions on the wall-wart that changing this does make a difference.

My thoughts were to change the wall-wart to a toroidal transformer placed in a box and the projects I have seen on other sites since posting this thread indicate that this would cost no more than £30.00. That's no money at all for such a project.

I would then look at replacing the caps in the power stage of the phono-pre, maybe use Black Gate or something similar.

Was just hoping that maybe someone on here has a kit they recommend.
 

ghemink

Member
2004-06-14 2:26 pm
Japan
CraigLand said:
Thanks for the replies but I have to say that I agree with other opinions on the wall-wart that changing this does make a difference.

My thoughts were to change the wall-wart to a toroidal transformer placed in a box and the projects I have seen on other sites since posting this thread indicate that this would cost no more than £30.00. That's no money at all for such a project.

I would then look at replacing the caps in the power stage of the phono-pre, maybe use Black Gate or something similar.

Was just hoping that maybe someone on here has a kit they recommend.


Some people would advice against using a toroid as a toroid is "too good" as it will let through more high frequency disturb. In fact some high-end equipment makers avoid toroids because of that reason. In my TEAC Esoteric CD player they don`t use toroids, just several "conventional" transformers (of very high quality of course, at least I hope).

Changing the caps in the amp itself maybe a better idea.

Best regards

Gertjan
 
Hi,
I would upgrade the transformer and combine it with rectification, hi freq filtering and first stage smoothing in one steel box. Then second stage smoothing in your pre box.
You will then be creating a CRC supply and can use PSUDII to optimise the values of each C and R. R is likely to be quite small 0r47 to 10r for a pre.

Bass power and dynamic improves with lots of second stage C, but some say you lose sweetness at the top end. Room for experimentation.
 
I would just add a common mode filter by wrapping several turns of the wire that comes out of the wall wart around a high permeability ferrite toroid core. This actually reduces measured noise on small signal circuits since part of that noise is allways conducted EMI

Toroids should be avoided in small signal circuits since its huge primary-secondary capacitance acts as a bridge for EMI and 50/60Hz leakage. On the other hand, wall wars usually employ a split bobbin transformer only suitable for low currents but featuring very small primary-secondary capacitance and unmeasurable leakage
 
Eva said:
I would just add a common mode filter by wrapping several turns of the wire that comes out of the wall wart around a high permeability ferrite toroid core. This actually reduces measured noise on small signal circuits since part of that noise is allways conducted EMI

Toroids should be avoided in small signal circuits since its huge primary-secondary capacitance acts as a bridge for EMI and 50/60Hz leakage. On the other hand, wall wars usually employ a split bobbin transformer only suitable for low currents but featuring very small primary-secondary capacitance and unmeasurable leakage


just to visualize -- a perfect transformer, diode with their added imperfections:

[IMGDEAD]http://www.tech-diy.com/real_transformer.gif[/IMGDEAD]
 

Netdewt

Member
2010-01-11 10:31 pm
I also have a 540P, and was considering something like this, partially because I am thinking of building some other components and I like all my chassis to match. Perhaps it is not such a good idea though?

Maybe I will just build another phono pre (Hagerman Bugle, Bottlehead Seduction?) at some point, then I will have something to compare with anyways.