Penny & Giles: Good or not for HiFi?

[arold19]

These kind of potentiometer are use in a lot of mixer console.... but these pot are good for HI-FI audio ???

Somebody tried it ?

 

[Gasho]

They are the best , probably better than any Alps , Noble...
Aragon used them in the reference preamps.
Penny&Giles are used in best professional audio consoles, even in video mixers where signals are in MHz range.

 

[Elso Kwak]

The Penny & Giles has a veil on the music not experienced with a stepped discrete resistor attenuator.

 

[tiefbassuebertr]

about this thread you will find a little overview about potentiometer and rotary switch
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/soli...nny-giles-tkd-vishay-more-whats-your-fav.html

 

[stoN_Cold]

Hi!

This is P&G Studio console fader with Fader Start micro switch.

Stereo or 2Ch!

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Regards zeoN_Rider

 

[john curl]

Good sounding unit.

 

[Zen Mod]

This is P&G Studio console fader with Fader Start micro switch.

Stereo or 2Ch!
........

Regards zeoN_Rider

Good sounding unit.

yup ;

but Drek in everyday Pro usage ; need disassembling and washing every 3 months

 

[SRMcGee]

Arold19:

I had the pleasure of living with a Jeff Rowland Coherence One (Series II) preamplifier for almost 20 years. The Coherence One had a Penny & Giles attenuator and to my ears it was clean, grain-free and lovely. There are many great-sounding attenuators on the market, and P&G is one of them.

Regards,
Scott

 

[tiefbassuebertr]

Arold19:

I had the pleasure of living with a Jeff Rowland Coherence One (Series II) preamplifier for almost 20 years. The Coherence One had a Penny & Giles attenuator and to my ears it was clean, grain-free and lovely. There are many great-sounding attenuators on the market, and P&G is one of them.
Regards,
Scott

was it this model from the attached photos?
I think this attenuator was (no longer available) oil-filled version

 

[Kurt von Kubik]

P&G is just the most relieable pot on the market, but damned they are expensive.
My preamps through the last 25 years has been equipped with them, and there is still no scratching or any noise at all when turned. Just nothing.
This is simply state of the art quality, and the most unbeliveable is, that I can still order a new one of the same type.

Thumbs up for P&G

 

[stoN_Cold]

Thumbs up for P&G

Thumb 2 for P&G.

Regards zeoN_Rider

 

[RobertS61]

To be specific:
The Penny+Giles Rotary fader RF-15 was first used in the Mark Levinson ML-7 (there were some first models with the wirewound Spectrol pot like in the ML-1 though), the ML-6A. 7A and 6B the ML-10 and the No.26 andprobably the 26s.
JRDG uses one stereo for level and two mono´s for Balance in the Coherence One Series I & II.
I´m not sure about Krell in this matter. The KRC I had (the first incarnation) had a Airpax motorized one my Krell KRS-2 had the Spectrol wirewound which I substituted for a RF-15.

 

[tiefbassuebertr]

is this oil filled and sealed potentiometer a good replace for the not longer available oil filled version from Penny & Giles ?
Potentiometers: Oil Filled Rotary Potentiometer - Series OMCP30
http://www.p3america.com/pp/pdfs/omcp30.PDF
Penny & Giles itself don't offer unfortunately oil filled versions from the RF15 series about
http://www.penny-giles.de/Rotary-Fader-pd-115,3,,.php

A line-up of most potentiometers (rotary faders) you will find here:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/soli...nny-giles-tkd-vishay-more-whats-your-fav.html

And an offer (NOS device) is here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Penny-Giles...meter-Audio-Taper-FREE-SHIPPING-/221130434795

 

[RobertS61]

is this oil filled and sealed potentiometer a good replace for the not longer available oil filled version from Penny & Giles ?
Potentiometers: Oil Filled Rotary Potentiometer - Series OMCP30
http://www.p3america.com/pp/pdfs/omcp30.PDF
Penny & Giles itself don't offer unfortunately oil filled versions from the RF15 series about
Multi-Channel Rotary Fader | Penny + Giles

Yep they're plastic conductive tapers just like the better Noble's, TKD 2CP's and Alps I believe. Do not now those oilfilled ones you quote but they seem to me as targeted for industrial applications but I believe that the Penny+Giles one was used for aviation purposes and so are most electronic parts in they use in audiogear of course
I never had issues with them and I prefered them above all other logarithmic volume solutions.

 

[tiefbassuebertr]

To be specific:
The Penny+Giles Rotary fader RF-15 was first used in the Mark Levinson ML-7 (there were some first models with the wirewound Spectrol pot like in the ML-1 though), the ML-6A. 7A and 6B the ML-10 and the No.26 andprobably the 26s.
JRDG uses one stereo for level and two mono´s for Balance in the Coherence One Series I & II.
I´m not sure about Krell in this matter. The KRC I had (the first incarnation) had a Airpax motorized one my Krell KRS-2 had the Spectrol wirewound which I substituted for a RF-15.

In the preamp model Aragon 18K you will find also a RF-15 version - have a look to the attachments:

 

[RobertS61]

In the preamp model Aragon 18K you will find also a RF-15 version - have a look to the attachments:

That's a surprise.
The Krell would have used it in its premium line even more I suppose.

Never liked the TKD's with there flimsy soldering lugs.
Just bought a Coherence One Series II so I'm back in P+G territory again with three of them lined up behind a faceplate.

 

[RobertS61]

Krells with RF15's I found in my own archive:
KRS-1A, PAM-1 and KBL Signature

 

[tiefbassuebertr]

Here another Preamp equipped with P&G: Model "MVX" from Musical Fidelity

I bought it! (Superb, rare preamp...) - AudioKarma.org Home Audio Stereo Discussion Forums
review33 - ????

Who know more brands and models from amps, where is P&G in use?

 

[john curl]

Many Levinson, JC-80, etc

 

[RobertS61]

Happy New Year

Hi John,

Happy New Year to you.

I'm still running a pair of Levinson ML-2's and I was wondering how much of your knowledge/intellect is there in those designs?
My Krell technician (former Goldmund engineer) prefers the ML-2's over the successors the No. 20 and 20.5. I never heard those latter ones so I can't concur.
Are the ML-2's mainly your brainchilds?

To tiefbassuebertr:

Congratulations with your nice MF preamp.
Did not know the English made such expensive gear.