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Hi Everyone,
I have found a heat sink distributor for Seifert extrusion number KL-271:
With the fins oriented vertically, this heatsink measures 12" wide, 8" long, 3.25" thick, and has a 1/2" thick back plate. A singe 8" (200mm) length of this heat sink with black anodize and natural convection is rated for 0.18c/w
or approximately 140-150 
watts dissipation with a 25c temperature rise.
One of these would comfortably run a stereo Mini-Aleph. Two of these sinks would provide 0.09c/w of cooling that can dissipate approximately 280-300 watts and should be sufficient for a 100wpc Aleph-X monoblock or even an Aleph 2 monoblock.
The distributor has a minimum order of 10 pieces, which is more than most people might want, so I have inquired about the possiblity of a group purchase and different quantities and price points.
To give you an idea of cost, the unit price for 10 of these heatsinks is approx $60 each (not including shipping).
I will be able to provide more details shortly...
Any interest?? I will post more details shortly, and if there is sufficient interest, I'll set up a wiki...
Eric
I have found a heat sink distributor for Seifert extrusion number KL-271:
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
With the fins oriented vertically, this heatsink measures 12" wide, 8" long, 3.25" thick, and has a 1/2" thick back plate. A singe 8" (200mm) length of this heat sink with black anodize and natural convection is rated for 0.18c/w
or approximately 140-150 watts dissipation with a 25c temperature rise.One of these would comfortably run a stereo Mini-Aleph. Two of these sinks would provide 0.09c/w of cooling that can dissipate approximately 280-300 watts and should be sufficient for a 100wpc Aleph-X monoblock or even an Aleph 2 monoblock.
The distributor has a minimum order of 10 pieces, which is more than most people might want, so I have inquired about the possiblity of a group purchase and different quantities and price points.
To give you an idea of cost, the unit price for 10 of these heatsinks is approx $60 each (not including shipping).
I will be able to provide more details shortly...
Any interest?? I will post more details shortly, and if there is sufficient interest, I'll set up a wiki...
Eric
I'd probably be interested. Is that a good price, or are you hoping it will go down significantly with more units?
I am interested in at least 2, could be up to 6 depending on price vs. quantity.
Who is the distributor? Does have a website?
Who is the distributor? Does have a website?
I'd be interested in four pieces, if the price can be brought down with higher quantities.
I had purchased 12 pieces of extruded heatsinks from M&M Metals for about $300 shipped. The heatsinks were 8" in length, 6.695" tall with alternating 2.2" and 1.2" fins, with a base thickness of 0.2". Obviously the one you're suggesting is much larger, but I could buy four of the other heatsinks for the price of two of the larger ones. In case you want to look up the extrusion I used, it's MM11645 located here:
http://www.mmmetals.com/pages/extru...back_heatsink_aluminum_extrusion_4_and_up.htm
You'll need to scroll down just a little bit to find it. The thermal resistance they list (0.8C/W) is for a 3" length.
I had purchased 12 pieces of extruded heatsinks from M&M Metals for about $300 shipped. The heatsinks were 8" in length, 6.695" tall with alternating 2.2" and 1.2" fins, with a base thickness of 0.2". Obviously the one you're suggesting is much larger, but I could buy four of the other heatsinks for the price of two of the larger ones. In case you want to look up the extrusion I used, it's MM11645 located here:
http://www.mmmetals.com/pages/extru...back_heatsink_aluminum_extrusion_4_and_up.htm
You'll need to scroll down just a little bit to find it. The thermal resistance they list (0.8C/W) is for a 3" length.
Here is an amp that uses the 200mm version:
http://www.passdiy.com/gallery/alephx-p3.htm
Ignoring the piles of large heatsinks in my basement, I would be interested if the price dropped. I am sure that if you checked different vendors, you could a similar extrusion for cheaper.
I also like the MM heatsinks that Rob (maxhawk) used, and they have been used in by others for Aleph 2 amps:
http://www.passdiy.com/gallery/aleph2-p1.htm
http://www.passdiy.com/gallery/aleph2-p2.htm
Rob's chassis:
http://maxhawk.flagshiphosting.com/projects/Leach/index.htm
or
http://www.briangt.com/gallery/leachamp-5channel
Chassis I helped another friend make:
http://www.briangt.com/gallery/jeetamp
MMM might also have more beefy extrusions if you give them a call.
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Brian
http://www.passdiy.com/gallery/alephx-p3.htm
Ignoring the piles of large heatsinks in my basement, I would be interested if the price dropped. I am sure that if you checked different vendors, you could a similar extrusion for cheaper.
I also like the MM heatsinks that Rob (maxhawk) used, and they have been used in by others for Aleph 2 amps:
http://www.passdiy.com/gallery/aleph2-p1.htm
http://www.passdiy.com/gallery/aleph2-p2.htm
Rob's chassis:
http://maxhawk.flagshiphosting.com/projects/Leach/index.htm
or
http://www.briangt.com/gallery/leachamp-5channel
Chassis I helped another friend make:
http://www.briangt.com/gallery/jeetamp
MMM might also have more beefy extrusions if you give them a call.
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Brian
Different width
Come to think of:
I would actually prefer the 400mm width one, One piece of heatsink per side (12" is little short for the chasis).
Come to think of:
I would actually prefer the 400mm width one, One piece of heatsink per side (12" is little short for the chasis).
I'm currently using the 300mm lenght sink for my Mini-A. I'm running the fets at 2.4A/pc. The sinks settles at 65 degree C. I really think that you need more area to be able to dissipate for a 100W AX.
My 2 cents,
Kari
My 2 cents,
Kari
IS it difficult to cut these into smaller lenghts, ie. reduce the 8" length to 3.5 to 4"? Can a table saw do this?
kestrel200 said:
I cut some 5" x 2" heatsinks on my tablesaw once without issues. It helps to have a sliding table and a non-ferrous blade. That is my current setup. If you are just cutting them in half lengthwise, the original finished side can stay on top, without much loss in appearance if you don't look at the bottom of the amp.
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Brian
I've cut the base in half using a noferrous blade inbetween the fins. But I've never attempted to cut the fins. If I understand the dimensions correctly on these if i wanted to mount them on a case that was only 3 or 4 " tall I'd have to cut the fins as well. HAve you ever tried that?
Here are some of the chassis that I have made for Class A amps, but never finished...
The smaller one in the front is made from cutting one of the bigger black ones in 1/2. I bought these with Rob and his chassis is made with 5 heatsinks.
(aluminum not finished yet.. needs some work to get the scratches out. I built 2 of the large ones with surplus heatsinks, originally for Aleph 2 monoblocks)
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Brian
The smaller one in the front is made from cutting one of the bigger black ones in 1/2. I bought these with Rob and his chassis is made with 5 heatsinks.
(aluminum not finished yet.. needs some work to get the scratches out. I built 2 of the large ones with surplus heatsinks, originally for Aleph 2 monoblocks)
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Brian
Attachments
ok.. Brian's worked his usuall majic & has convinced me to buy a heatsink too if this goes GP goes forward.
Thx
Brian
Thx
Brian
http://www.allprotools.com/store/page208.html
best prices i found on the net
i just ordered the lu90 10" ...we'll see how well it works, although a friend of mine has one and they are super nice blades...just be really careful when you are cutting aluminum...yikes 🙂
-Matthew K. Olson
best prices i found on the net
i just ordered the lu90 10" ...we'll see how well it works, although a friend of mine has one and they are super nice blades...just be really careful when you are cutting aluminum...yikes 🙂
-Matthew K. Olson
kestrel200 said:
Here is my first idea for a mini Aleph chassis:
http://www.briangt.com/gallery/aleph-briangt-mini
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Brian
kestrel200,
Try a vertical metal band saw with some hard plastic (polyurethane, or..) on each side before the clamp to protect the finish. The band saw will have thinner kerf and should not bend the fins if cut from the base side.
Try a vertical metal band saw with some hard plastic (polyurethane, or..) on each side before the clamp to protect the finish. The band saw will have thinner kerf and should not bend the fins if cut from the base side.
cutting aluminum on a table saw
Even with a non-ferrous blade, consider what those aluminum flakes would do to the saw motor if they get into the wrong place. Shield the motor from the "dust". And wear hearing protection...it'll scream like nobody's business.
Even with a non-ferrous blade, consider what those aluminum flakes would do to the saw motor if they get into the wrong place. Shield the motor from the "dust". And wear hearing protection...it'll scream like nobody's business.
Non ferrous blades make much less noise than regular finishing carbides. It is also recommended that there is some type of lube...WD40 works fine, so does grain alcohol.
-Matthew K. Olson
-Matthew K. Olson
gengis said:
Unfortunatley I don't have a band saw
So I'll have to figure out the best way to do it with my table saw.
Wider section
How about this: KL273,
http://www.seifert-electronic.de/images/pics/kl-273z.gif
I think they comes in 150mm, 200mm, and 1000mm length. If we can get the 1000mm length (or longer) unfinish in reasonable price, I offer to cut that into specfic sections (prorate price according to length). We will have to get this annodized of course.
How about this: KL273,
http://www.seifert-electronic.de/images/pics/kl-273z.gif
I think they comes in 150mm, 200mm, and 1000mm length. If we can get the 1000mm length (or longer) unfinish in reasonable price, I offer to cut that into specfic sections (prorate price according to length). We will have to get this annodized of course.
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