A lens will not eliminate any IM caused by the breakup as far as I understand.
Another thought. Much has been said and demonstrated about conductive vs non formers. Why a former? When I was in industry and we needed super low mass armatures, we used air core armatures. Basically just glue. A lot of force, far more than a speaker. We were driving a beryllium capstan wheel about 2 inches in diameter. It could be going at a edge speed of 200 IPS. Stop, stabilize, and be stable in the opposite direction in 6/10ths of an inch edge. Used 90V in a power H. Inertia was so high, a magnesium wheel would explode at that acceleration.
There are coatings that improve the radiation or absorption of a surface. Could these be used to improve VC cooling?
So many parameters. Again, glad I just use them and not design them.
Another thought. Much has been said and demonstrated about conductive vs non formers. Why a former? When I was in industry and we needed super low mass armatures, we used air core armatures. Basically just glue. A lot of force, far more than a speaker. We were driving a beryllium capstan wheel about 2 inches in diameter. It could be going at a edge speed of 200 IPS. Stop, stabilize, and be stable in the opposite direction in 6/10ths of an inch edge. Used 90V in a power H. Inertia was so high, a magnesium wheel would explode at that acceleration.
There are coatings that improve the radiation or absorption of a surface. Could these be used to improve VC cooling?
So many parameters. Again, glad I just use them and not design them.
I think an aluminum cone version of the 4" mid would be an extremely versatile unit.
YES PLEASE!!!!
Indeed they are. In many instances I can't stand the things, and I'm far from alone in that. While a well-implemented example can improve the off-axis HF response, you'd be better off with a better designed tweeter.What do you mean by "waste" ? In a treble unit, noone is noticing an acoustical lense made for difraction purpose is bad ?
Id the passive "lense", "rod", whatever you call it is only taming what is around the break-up, why it could be worse than a serie parrallel notch as shown by Lribo which is very widthband large ?
It must be a mightily impressive 'rod' if it only affects a specific narrow frequency and has zero impact on anything else. 5KHz is sufficiently high that some diffraction effects, ruining all the effort that went into making the driver pistonic up to that point, are almost guaranteed. When you put that effort into optimising a particular aspect of performance, compromising it doesn't seem a good idea. And equally pertinently, as has been noted, it will do nothing to address the resonant-amplified HD which is what we are talking about here, and the main point of notching out a high Q breakup mode.
While I like the Lribo, already imputed by HifiCompass, serie // notch. I use it myself in a treble unit but it has a large area of taming when the break ups is very focused most of the time (understand better DSP with firewall notches), no ?
No, a bottomless / high Q notch is by definition very narrow band / precise, and here we are dealing with a driver that has the primary (I assume bell) mode concentrated very effectively, so it should be relatively easy to put a notch in there to kill the HD lower down.
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I am really looking forward to the PTT6.5M04-NFA-01, the midrange driver with higher sensitivity, higher Fs, and reduced Xmax.
I guess you would still need that 51 ohms in series from Lars' crossover to appear somewhere.What about notching it with DSP, does it lower distortion also also?
yes, an active EQ will be just as effective at reducing distortion at the peak frequency. However, only the passive notch increasing the inpedance seems by the driver at the notch will reduce the subharmonic 3rd harmonic peak at fpeak/3. luckily this peak is very low to begin with for the PURIFI driverWhat about notching it with DSP, does it lower distortion also also?
a filter with a notch has a minimum order of two. You are absolutely right that one does not necessarily have to cut sharply as long as the peaks are properly handled. see the example I posted earlier.What's wrong with a 1st order slope up to say 4kHz, together with a notch at 5k and notch at 10k? If the amplifier is not screwing things up then those resonances should just be a kind of 'falsetto' with no reason to suspect a loss of purity as such except for the radiation pattern.
Thanks a bunch! I was not clear in my question, it was the fpeak/3 I meant to addressyes, an active EQ will be just as effective at reducing distortion at the peak frequency. However, only the passive notch increasing the inpedance seems by the driver at the notch will reduce the subharmonic 3rd harmonic peak at fpeak/3. luckily this peak is very low to begin with for the PURIFI driver
I have a couple of Purifi driver questions:
Where can I find and order a pair of 8 inch woofers?
I see that the PTT6.5M08-NFA-01 is called a midrange on the data sheet.
Is there an issue using it as a mid-woofer?
Thanks DT
Where can I find and order a pair of 8 inch woofers?
I see that the PTT6.5M08-NFA-01 is called a midrange on the data sheet.
Is there an issue using it as a mid-woofer?
Thanks DT
Order from their website. Hit SHOP top right of home page. Six week delivery time.
Hello,
Thanks that driver was not listed with the others, but it was listed under the shop tab.
It sis a small small world after all. In 6 weeks ish they will be at my door.
Thanks DT
Here:
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/...ifi-woofer-speaker-builds.352063/post-7085572
Basically it works in the same box as the 4 ohm version.
Mine arrived this week…
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/...ifi-woofer-speaker-builds.352063/post-7085572
Basically it works in the same box as the 4 ohm version.
Mine arrived this week…
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TS parameter specs on the PTT8.0X08-NAB-02 8Ω version?
Looked for TS/P's I did not find them. My best guess is that enclosure size will be much the same as with the 4R version. If I recall at the time I will post the L2 R2 coil model parameters after I do the measurements.
Thanks DT
I had this reply drafted but forgot to hit the send key.
Please see above post:Looked for TS/P's I did not find them.
Click the link and download the datasheet for TSP...
Otherwise I will attach it here. Courtesy of Lars @ Purifi
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The PTT8.0X-08-NAB (8Alu-8) looks ripe for waveguided 2 way. Or use in pairs. Or converted to a state of the art co-incident/co-axial driver.
Now, who’s brave enough to remove that dust cap… @5th element
Now, who’s brave enough to remove that dust cap… @5th element
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Use a hairdryer or heat gun and gently heat the dustcap until the glue softens. The only drivers that happen to use heat resistant (non thermoplast) glue are the alu coned Dayton Long stroke subwoofers. For others resistance was futile..But Lars can certainly tell us if the glue applied is thermoplast or not.
The 8" drivers are very tempting. My current speakers each have 2x Seas H1252-08 (8" aluminium cone), which are pretty good. They're a 2.5-way design, and a 18Sound NSD1095N takes over at 1kHz.
I'm happy with the sound, but I do wonder if the Purifi drivers would be a big improvement in sound. At approx £600 per driver (ie, £2400 to upgrade my speakers), I think it'll have to wait until I'm considerably more wealthy.
Chris
I'm happy with the sound, but I do wonder if the Purifi drivers would be a big improvement in sound. At approx £600 per driver (ie, £2400 to upgrade my speakers), I think it'll have to wait until I'm considerably more wealthy.
Chris
should be possible but we could also sell you one with the dustcap on the side 😎 . Have done that for a company that mounted an accelerometer for MFB.Use a hairdryer or heat gun and gently heat the dustcap until the glue softens. The only drivers that happen to use heat resistant (non thermoplast) glue are the alu coned Dayton Long stroke subwoofers. For others resistance was futile..But Lars can certainly tell us if the glue applied is thermoplast or not.
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