but the heatsinks are so hot!
question:
How to measure the heatsink temperature?
Which tool?
thanks...
beta version:
http://www.tp.edu.tw/~scrazy/aleph/aleph5-1.jpg
http://www.tp.edu.tw/~scrazy/aleph/aleph5-2.jpg
http://www.tp.edu.tw/~scrazy/aleph/aleph5-4.jpg
final version:
http://www.tp.edu.tw/~scrazy/aleph/aleph_final_1.jpg
http://www.tp.edu.tw/~scrazy/aleph/aleph_final_2.jpg
http://www.tp.edu.tw/~scrazy/aleph/aleph_final_3.jpg
http://www.tp.edu.tw/~scrazy/aleph/aleph_final_4.jpg
question:
How to measure the heatsink temperature?
Which tool?
thanks...
beta version:
http://www.tp.edu.tw/~scrazy/aleph/aleph5-1.jpg
http://www.tp.edu.tw/~scrazy/aleph/aleph5-2.jpg
http://www.tp.edu.tw/~scrazy/aleph/aleph5-4.jpg
final version:
http://www.tp.edu.tw/~scrazy/aleph/aleph_final_1.jpg
http://www.tp.edu.tw/~scrazy/aleph/aleph_final_2.jpg
http://www.tp.edu.tw/~scrazy/aleph/aleph_final_3.jpg
http://www.tp.edu.tw/~scrazy/aleph/aleph_final_4.jpg
or just a regular termometer....you can alwayse mount a thermobreaker at say 70c then it will break if it runs to hot
by the way mine is working to...buts it is an alpeh 3 now...woriking on a A2 =)
/micke
by the way mine is working to...buts it is an alpeh 3 now...woriking on a A2 =)
/micke
Very Nice !
Rule of Thumb
55 - This is hot, but I can leave my hand here for a while
65 - This is hot, I can touch it, but I don't want to leave my hand here!
75 - Too hot to touch
First two probably OK for an Aleph, though Nelson will tell you you want the former. Later may be a problem !!
Kitchenware shops sell thermometers for cooking roasts etc - the kind you poke into the meat. Don't know what they cost, but should be able to handle the temp range.
PS: Send some photos to Desmond at Passlabs ( mailto:dharrington@passlabs.com )
cheers .... mark
Rule of Thumb
55 - This is hot, but I can leave my hand here for a while
65 - This is hot, I can touch it, but I don't want to leave my hand here!
75 - Too hot to touch
First two probably OK for an Aleph, though Nelson will tell you you want the former. Later may be a problem !!
Kitchenware shops sell thermometers for cooking roasts etc - the kind you poke into the meat. Don't know what they cost, but should be able to handle the temp range.
PS: Send some photos to Desmond at Passlabs ( mailto:dharrington@passlabs.com )
cheers .... mark
on thermal handlin check a later thread with the subject
"can these heatsink dissiapte 125W??"
some nice info there.....
/micek
"can these heatsink dissiapte 125W??"
some nice info there.....
/micek
Another question:
How to reduce the noise produced by zener?
add a capacitor?
which value?
thanks
How to reduce the noise produced by zener?
add a capacitor?
which value?
thanks
Noisy Zener
Scrazy,
I would put a 1 to 5uf capacitor across the zener.
You could also try replacing the resistor feeding the zener with a current source.
Jam
[Edited by jam on 07-16-2001 at 07:53 AM]
Scrazy,
I would put a 1 to 5uf capacitor across the zener.
You could also try replacing the resistor feeding the zener with a current source.
Jam
[Edited by jam on 07-16-2001 at 07:53 AM]
heatsinks
Hi. Can I ask where you got those heatsinks, and how much they were? I'm still looking for some and having a real hard time.
Evan
Hi. Can I ask where you got those heatsinks, and how much they were? I'm still looking for some and having a real hard time.
Evan
I get these heatsinks from heatsink factory(In Taiwan).
They build & sale all kinds of heatsinks I think....
The smallest ex:for TO-220.
The largest ex:for cooling some machine...
But for DIYer the price is too high,because of the quantity.
But this is my only way to get these big guys building my Class A amplifier...! 🙂
They build & sale all kinds of heatsinks I think....
The smallest ex:for TO-220.
The largest ex:for cooling some machine...
But for DIYer the price is too high,because of the quantity.
But this is my only way to get these big guys building my Class A amplifier...! 🙂
Capacitor
Jam, I believe the value you suggest may be too large for noise suppression. While under ideal circumstances it won't make any difference, one may be tempted to use an electolytic capacitor for that value. Electros provide quite poor performance at high frequencies and I would suggest a lower value capacitor with better HF characteristics would be better.
Cheers,
Pete
Jam, I believe the value you suggest may be too large for noise suppression. While under ideal circumstances it won't make any difference, one may be tempted to use an electolytic capacitor for that value. Electros provide quite poor performance at high frequencies and I would suggest a lower value capacitor with better HF characteristics would be better.
Cheers,
Pete
Taming Zener Noise.
Pete,
I should have have mentioned that the capacitors I would use are Black Gates or Os-Cons. I have also used tantalums to good effect. All these capacitors have excellent high frequency characteristics.
If the thought of an electrolytic bothers you a .47uf or 1uf film and foil capacitor works just as well. I arrived at the above values after a lot of experimentation. Too small a value will not work as well as the noise is pretty broadband.
Before you add the capacitor you have to set the zener current, too low a value and the noise will be a lot higher. Then consider replaceing the resistor that feeds the zener with a another current source (a current diode works well here), which will further reduce the noise and improve the current sources rejection of rail (power supply)noise.
Cheers,
Jam
P.S. By the way, how is your pre-amp project doing?
Pete,
I should have have mentioned that the capacitors I would use are Black Gates or Os-Cons. I have also used tantalums to good effect. All these capacitors have excellent high frequency characteristics.
If the thought of an electrolytic bothers you a .47uf or 1uf film and foil capacitor works just as well. I arrived at the above values after a lot of experimentation. Too small a value will not work as well as the noise is pretty broadband.
Before you add the capacitor you have to set the zener current, too low a value and the noise will be a lot higher. Then consider replaceing the resistor that feeds the zener with a another current source (a current diode works well here), which will further reduce the noise and improve the current sources rejection of rail (power supply)noise.
Cheers,
Jam
P.S. By the way, how is your pre-amp project doing?
Jam, Just got back from Singapore a few moments ago so no advancement on the pre-amp this week 🙁
I notice a parcel is waiting for me to collect so hopefully the boards have finally arrived so I can continue with it.
Cheers,
Pete
I notice a parcel is waiting for me to collect so hopefully the boards have finally arrived so I can continue with it.
Cheers,
Pete
hifi said:do you hear any AC humm through it or is it silent??
When I am very close to the bass driver,there are some hums, no hiss..
This is acceptalbe,but I think it can improvement...
questions:
Now my aleph configuration :
Each channel using two big Capacitors & one transformer.
and the GND of each channel is seperate and NOT attach to the amp case.
1.Should I connect TWO channel with TWO GND point(why?)?
2.Should I make a chasis GND to reduce the noise(why?)?
3.Any comment for reduce the little hum?(all that just because my poor layout skill?)
thanks all
Hifi,
It is pretty quiet. Also I should note that some zeners are noiser than others, and if you decide not to use a capacitor you should select one that is less noisy (1/2 watt zeners seem to be less noisy).
You could stack a few led's togther in place of a zener and this would be quieter (you would have to change the current source resistor as the voltage drop would be different).
Jam
It is pretty quiet. Also I should note that some zeners are noiser than others, and if you decide not to use a capacitor you should select one that is less noisy (1/2 watt zeners seem to be less noisy).
You could stack a few led's togther in place of a zener and this would be quieter (you would have to change the current source resistor as the voltage drop would be different).
Jam
i think the problem in my amp is my trafo...cus if i move the speaker wires around the hum increases...and decreases...but i will try with a cap across the zener....
/micke
/micke
http://members.tripod.de/Promitheus/ground_amp.htm
read here a few ideas about grounding amps maybe you can find something that can help you improve your hum.
Ilias
read here a few ideas about grounding amps maybe you can find something that can help you improve your hum.
Ilias
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