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Masco C-10 Mic/Phono Amp

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CraigNS

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2012-02-11 4:54 am
Hi,

I have an old Masco C-10 Amp I was trying to get going. I've tried reforming the caps and I've replaced the burnt tubes (specifically the twin diode rectifier tube). I was getting a good output but the transformer was heating up. So I then replaced the multi-cap can with some individual capacitors. Still heating up. I then drew out the schematic and noticed the 20k ceramic resistor going to ground. I had a look and it's on a two terminal block bolted to the chasis and the terminal has been busted off. It is now held in place with a wire to the adjacent terminal. It looks like to me this shouldn't be going to ground. Maybe someone with more knowlege than I can have a look at this circuit and tell me what they think.

Thanks,
Craig
 

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jazbo8

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2011-01-05 8:34 am
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Hi,

I have an old Masco C-10 Amp I was trying to get going. I've tried reforming the caps and I've replaced the burnt tubes (specifically the twin diode rectifier tube). I was getting a good output but the transformer was heating up. So I then replaced the multi-cap can with some individual capacitors. Still heating up. I then drew out the schematic and noticed the 20k ceramic resistor going to ground. I had a look and it's on a two terminal block bolted to the chasis and the terminal has been busted off. It is now held in place with a wire to the adjacent terminal. It looks like to me this shouldn't be going to ground. Maybe someone with more knowlege than I can have a look at this circuit and tell me what they think.

Thanks,
Craig

The 20K as shown would pull a lot of current that's why the transformer is heating up, a more reasonable schematic is shown below, perhaps the 20K is sub'd for the choke?

An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.


Jaz
 
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CraigNS

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2012-02-11 4:54 am
Ya, that's what I've assumed. I was thinking it should go from the cathode of the rectifier to the 40uf cap then ground. I tried that, but have less volume output and still a heating transformer.

What about like this?
 

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CraigNS

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2012-02-11 4:54 am
The 20K as shown would pull a lot of current that's why the transformer is heating up, a more reasonable schematic is shown below, perhaps the 20K is sub'd for the choke?

An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.


Jaz

Right now, the center tap from the B+ transformer is going to chasis ground. Also it's using a multi-cap can, so no way to grab the negative of the 10uf/20uf cap. Do you think the center tap should be going to this resistor?
 

jjman

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2009-01-17 2:41 pm
The 20k is a bleeder for safety, assuming the scheme in post#1 is accurate. It drains the dc after turning off. You can use a larger value if you are concerned it's pulling too much current. I'm actually using a 1meg on an amp but that's overly "slow."
 
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