Does anyone know how to parallel the LM3886 together to increase max. output current and improve damping factor.
I do know that Jeff Rowland DG is using this approach in their amplifiers.
Many Thx.
Rachel
I do know that Jeff Rowland DG is using this approach in their amplifiers.
Many Thx.
Rachel
the 3875 shown is a scaled down version of the 3886 and the 3886 can be placed in this circuit without any problems.
Many thx. AudioFreak. Are you using DC servo for the feedback loop for each Power OpAmp module? Fantisic....
Anyway, many thx.
Anyway, many thx.
The servos are so that you dont get a different DC offset @ each of the outputs ... you'll also probably want to add a circuit that protects the speaker from DC which is not catered for in the schematic above.
National had a conceptual schematic as well, I have the PDF but can't seem to find it on their site anymore. Email me if you'd like me to send it to you. The title is:
Bridge/parallel amplifier (BPA-200) documentation, Sept. 19, 1997.
Bridge/parallel amplifier (BPA-200) documentation, Sept. 19, 1997.
Apexjr has sold parapix amps which contains two lm 3886 ic's. On his site their is lot of information available regarding lm3886. I have also used the amp. Hope this helps.
Mahendra Palesha
Mahendra Palesha
I am also interested on parallel-bridging LM3886. Has anyone tried to do that? And what if you don't use servo circuits?
Please post any schematics you have.
Thanks!
Please post any schematics you have.
Thanks!
apply a adjustable dc voltage to -ve i/p via a 1m resister
assume the op amp is in non-inverted mode
assume the op amp is in non-inverted mode
Ah, you mean applying a small (a few mV) variable voltage at the inverting pin of the LM3886's ?
That sounds good for the non-inverting stages, but what for the others?
I was thinking on building 4 identical stages, non-inverting, and adding a inverting circuit with an op-amp to excite two of them, so your idea can be suitable.
But do you think it is going to behave well as the offset changes with temperature?
Thanks!
That sounds good for the non-inverting stages, but what for the others?
I was thinking on building 4 identical stages, non-inverting, and adding a inverting circuit with an op-amp to excite two of them, so your idea can be suitable.
But do you think it is going to behave well as the offset changes with temperature?
Thanks!
ssanmor,
I'm now stuffing a new PCB I made up, doing what you've talked about. I've got on one board that's about 2 x 7 inches, 4-LM3886 devices, all running non-inverted (this gives better performance: you don't have the feed back 'bucking' the source that's driving the - input).
I based it on the schematic in the application link that AudioFreak listed above, but only using the top half of their schematic--that is, the non-inverted portion. I repeated the upper non-inverted portion for the 'bottom' half. Each output pair drives a resistor/inductor and then the load.
Next, I split the single input buffer op-amp into two, using one to drive the upper non-inverted pair with a non-inverted input signal, and the second to drive the bottom half with the inverted input. That is, each input polarity is running into a non-inverted AD8610.
12V regulation is provided for the input buffers devices separately from the regulated supplies for the LF411CN used in the DC servo circuit. (Instead of using two op-amps, I've also set it up to use a Jensen input transformer, with one secondary leg driving the + LM3886 pair and the negative leg the other LM3886 pair; it's always fun to compare!)
This means the whole amplifer, while bridged, is fully balanced and non-inverted. I designed the boards so that multiple units could be paralled to even further increase the low impedance drive capability. I was thinking that 2 or 3 boards, each with a two pair (4-LM3886), should drive a 2 ohm load with around 700 watts. (4 bridged units give around 150 to 200 watts into 8 ohms and 300-400 watts into 4 ohms; so 8 units should handle a 2 ohm load with 600 to 800 watts, depending upon the power supply and heat sinking.)
Hopefully, I'll have one board running by this weekend and if it tests out OK, I'll plug it into my system.
I'm now stuffing a new PCB I made up, doing what you've talked about. I've got on one board that's about 2 x 7 inches, 4-LM3886 devices, all running non-inverted (this gives better performance: you don't have the feed back 'bucking' the source that's driving the - input).
I based it on the schematic in the application link that AudioFreak listed above, but only using the top half of their schematic--that is, the non-inverted portion. I repeated the upper non-inverted portion for the 'bottom' half. Each output pair drives a resistor/inductor and then the load.
Next, I split the single input buffer op-amp into two, using one to drive the upper non-inverted pair with a non-inverted input signal, and the second to drive the bottom half with the inverted input. That is, each input polarity is running into a non-inverted AD8610.
12V regulation is provided for the input buffers devices separately from the regulated supplies for the LF411CN used in the DC servo circuit. (Instead of using two op-amps, I've also set it up to use a Jensen input transformer, with one secondary leg driving the + LM3886 pair and the negative leg the other LM3886 pair; it's always fun to compare!)
This means the whole amplifer, while bridged, is fully balanced and non-inverted. I designed the boards so that multiple units could be paralled to even further increase the low impedance drive capability. I was thinking that 2 or 3 boards, each with a two pair (4-LM3886), should drive a 2 ohm load with around 700 watts. (4 bridged units give around 150 to 200 watts into 8 ohms and 300-400 watts into 4 ohms; so 8 units should handle a 2 ohm load with 600 to 800 watts, depending upon the power supply and heat sinking.)
Hopefully, I'll have one board running by this weekend and if it tests out OK, I'll plug it into my system.
LM3886 parallel use
Thanks for the explanation. Could you send me a schematic of your whole amplifier for clarification?
I am also going to do some tests this week, I will tell you how it goes.
You can send the sch. to ssm07@tid.es or ssanmor@canal21.com
Thanks!!
Thanks for the explanation. Could you send me a schematic of your whole amplifier for clarification?
I am also going to do some tests this week, I will tell you how it goes.
You can send the sch. to ssm07@tid.es or ssanmor@canal21.com
Thanks!!
rljones,
I have been working on this very same design but have had some problems. I am unfamiliar with the dc servos and their function. The amp I built also runs way too hot. Could you e-mail me your schematics and pcb if possible.
My e-mail is bopppe069@uwsp.edu
Thank you in advance,
Opie
I have been working on this very same design but have had some problems. I am unfamiliar with the dc servos and their function. The amp I built also runs way too hot. Could you e-mail me your schematics and pcb if possible.
My e-mail is bopppe069@uwsp.edu
Thank you in advance,
Opie
LM3886 parallel-bridge
My idea is this (I will try to explain it as clear as I can):
I am going to use four identical non-inverting amplifiers like the one shown in this picture. The output R in parallel with L is substituted by a 0.1Ohm/5W resistor, (all picked by-hand to minimize differences between them).
Then two of them are excited by the direct input signal from my preamplifier (with a gain=1 buffer). This signal is inverted by an inverting opamp with gain=1 and then drives the other two power stages.
The outputs of the two top stages are connected together and to the + terminal of the speaker; The outputs of the bottom stages are also connected together and to the - terminal of the speaker.
All the gain resistors are also picked by hand to match them within 0.1%
As you can note, I don't use servos. The stages are AC coupled, so they don't amplify the DC offset from the preamplifiers.
Does this set-up have any chance of working well? If you don't think so sincerely, please send suggestions.
Thanks!
My idea is this (I will try to explain it as clear as I can):
I am going to use four identical non-inverting amplifiers like the one shown in this picture. The output R in parallel with L is substituted by a 0.1Ohm/5W resistor, (all picked by-hand to minimize differences between them).
Then two of them are excited by the direct input signal from my preamplifier (with a gain=1 buffer). This signal is inverted by an inverting opamp with gain=1 and then drives the other two power stages.
The outputs of the two top stages are connected together and to the + terminal of the speaker; The outputs of the bottom stages are also connected together and to the - terminal of the speaker.
All the gain resistors are also picked by hand to match them within 0.1%
As you can note, I don't use servos. The stages are AC coupled, so they don't amplify the DC offset from the preamplifiers.
Does this set-up have any chance of working well? If you don't think so sincerely, please send suggestions.
Thanks!
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If I was you, I'd insert some finite resistance in
series with the output of each device to prevent
the amps from arguing with each other.
series with the output of each device to prevent
the amps from arguing with each other.
Re: LM3886 parallel-bridge
Didn't that App note from National warn about trying to do this without the servo?
If the two amps have, say, a 100mV difference in offset, this would be 0.5 amps through the balancing resistors (100 mV / (0.1+0.1))!
But it does not help with the DC offset from the amplifiers themselves. The 0.1 ohm resistors you're proposing may be too small to keep the two amps from "arguing" as Nelson says.ssanmor said:
Didn't that App note from National warn about trying to do this without the servo?
If the two amps have, say, a 100mV difference in offset, this would be 0.5 amps through the balancing resistors (100 mV / (0.1+0.1))!
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