# JFET Matching/Sorting

#### partialresponse

Could someone kindly describe a simple circuit for measuring turn-off voltage (Vgs off) for JFETs (both P and N channel, J210, J177)? Something that makes use of a single resistor and, say, a +/- 11V power supply. The turn-off range for the N-channel J210 is -3V ~ -1V, and that for the P-channel J177 is 0.8V~2.3V. I have a batch of parts of both I need to sort according to Vgs(off) and Idss.

Thanks
Kofi

#### Loudthud

Vgs(off) is typically measured at a constant Source to Drain voltage, but you can get a good idea with a constant Gate to Drain voltage. For N-channel JFET connect Gate to ground and Drain to +11. Now simply measure the Source voltage to ground with a DVM. Some people suggest using a 1 Meg resisitor from Source to ground, but it is not necessary. For P-channel, simply reverse the voltage polarity.

#### Nelson Pass

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I connect the Source and Gate to ground (for N) and measure the current.

With an 11 volt supply and assuming a typical value of 10 mA, use 100 ohms
in series with the Drain (the voltage drop across it will give you the Idss) for
a Vds of about 10V, and connect the other side of the resistor to +11V.

Reverse the supply polarity for P channel.

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#### partialresponse

Thank you both (Loudthud for how to measure Vgs(off), and Nelson for how to measure Idss). I was also pointed towards this article by Erno Borbely.

Kofi

#### Nelson Pass

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Sorry, I see that I misread the actual question....

#### AndrewT

Loud,
where did you find that Vp (Vgs off) measurement method?
I just tried it and it does not work.
2sk170, Idss 6.3mA, Vp -0.511V
Using your "no -ve & no resistor" method I measure +0.845V (+ve not -ve.)
i.e. the error for the example shown is 1.35V

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#### Nelson Pass

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This test is easy and cheap, but it is probably not how the manufacturer
measures it.

With no Source to Ground resistance, what you will see is the fet working
into the impedance of the meter. The Source will measure positive with
respect to ground, giving a negative Vgs value.

The Source resistor you want depends on at what value you specify the
Drain current at pinch-off, which will never be zero. The 2SK170 is spec'd at
0.1 uA and -0.2 to -1.5V as I recall. That means a pretty high resistance
value, around a megohm, and for this test to be really accurate you have
to recursively adjust the resistor value until the current is 0.1 uA.

You have to ask yourself whether you want to go to the trouble of doing
that. Why do you need to measure the pinch off voltage?

#### Loudthud

Vgs(off) should be interpeted as the Gate to Source voltage required to reduce Drain current to near zero (actually to the value specified in test conditions) with reference to the Source at the specified Drain to Source voltage. So the black lead of the DVM should be connected to the Source and would read a negative voltage for an N channel JFET. Sorry, I didn't specify a polarity for the DVM.

0.511V at 1Meg would be 0.511 uA
0.845V at 10Meg would be 0.0845 uA

Note that the Toshiba data sheet sepcifies Vgs(off) is tested at at 0.1uA. What they are saying is that at -1.5Vgs the current will be less than 0.1uA. There will be some variation depending on the the exact current the part is tested at as well as temperature and voltage. This little DIY test circuit should not be interpeted as something to measure device parameters exactly, merely as something for matching parts. For instance, you might see a couple of precent difference if you measure Idss at 9V instead of 10V. No biggie for matching as long as you measure them all at the same voltage, hopefully somewhat close to the circuit you intend to use the parts in.

#### jackinnj

Want to measure pinch-off voltage, or gm?

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#### Blues

Much like curve tracing to match fets that we know have already been characterized by the manufacturer using guess what? -a curve tracer, I find testing for Vp a waste of time and effort -we're not going to operate it at Ids=0 anyway. A curve trace might be needed if fets are suspected/found to be fakes and the seller insists they're genuine and balks to give a refund.

Find out your DC operating voltage (Vds) and your bias current (Ids) and match...heatsink it if needed and monitor temp if you can as a bonus.

#### jackinnj

The setup I show allows you to test at 70% of Idss by changing Rd. The Quan-Tech 5173 semiconductor analyzer uses something a bit more sophisticated, but you get the point.

#### bear

where was the 17.6 found?

#### partialresponse

...Why do you need to measure the pinch off voltage?

I bought a few JFETs from C-J to replace some that were damaged in my preamp from ESD. Since C-J supplied supposedly graded parts (for which they have to charge much more than for nominal parts), and since I am anticipating future damage to those parts again (it's very dry in the house and ESD events are frequent) I bought a large batch of nominal (ungraded) parts off the Web and want to make sure I can select the ones that are consistent with those C-J sent me. To do this, I thought it best to characterize both Vp and Idss, i.e., do it for the graded C-J parts and then select from the nominal parts those that have similar Vp and Idss values to the graded parts.

I have used Loudthud's method but with a 1M ohm resistor from source to ground (for the N-channel devices)

-Kofi

#### jackinnj

where was the 17.6 found?

It's the gain of the JFET inverting amplifier -- but in Multisim the source is pk-pk yet the meter reads RMS, so the gain should be 1.76*1.414. (My error)

#### bear

partialresponse, what type of jfets did you buy and from where? MANY of the jfets being sold on the web now are bogus re-badged parts that do not meet specs because they are not the parts that they say they are.

#### partialresponse

partialresponse, what type of jfets did you buy and from where? MANY of the jfets being sold on the web now are bogus re-badged parts that do not meet specs because they are not the parts that they say they are.

They are J177 (Calogic) and J210 (Fairchild). Bought them from a seller on eBay. They measure around the values of the ones C-J sent me so they're probably alright.

-Kofi

Will jfet IDSS measure differently after burn-in, I wonder?

#### Zen Mod

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if you really burn them , yes

they'll have same Idss as a nail

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