hello
i build aleph 60.
do i need the heatsink for Q1, Q2, Q3 and how big.
will be IRF540 or IRF640 good for output.
thanks
i build aleph 60.
do i need the heatsink for Q1, Q2, Q3 and how big.
will be IRF540 or IRF640 good for output.
thanks
Q1,2 and 3 can be operated without heatsinks but it does not hurt to slot in one either. Any TO-220 heatsinks will be fine but pay close attention to the space on the PCB. It'll be a good idea to mount Q1 and 2 on the same heatsink for better thermal equillibrium as it'll affect the final DC offset.Then again it can be something that you can live without. For the output go for IRFP540 or better yet IRFP240
I show about .3W dissipation on the differential transistors, but bear in mind that the current source (Q3) will be running twice the current, hence about .6W. Speaking purely for myself, I prefer not to run a TO-220 case over about a half watt without a heatsink, so I'd stick one on the current source. One of those little three, four, or five-fin heatsinks will be more than enough, and they're cheap. Whether you run one on the gain transistors is up to you. They'll be warm to the touch, but not hot.
As for the outputs, of those two I'd say go with the IRF640, purely because it gives you a little better SOA. The IRF540 would work fine, and might arguably sound a little better, but you'd be running closer to its limits, heat-wise.
I used IRF644s in my Aleph 2s--also a TO-220 case--but once I got the water-cooled dingus going, heat wasn't a problem for me. You'll have to judge these matters according to what heatsinks you can find.
cp642's point about the TO-247 case devices is valid. They give better heat transfer, but are more expensive. Your choice.
Grey
As for the outputs, of those two I'd say go with the IRF640, purely because it gives you a little better SOA. The IRF540 would work fine, and might arguably sound a little better, but you'd be running closer to its limits, heat-wise.
I used IRF644s in my Aleph 2s--also a TO-220 case--but once I got the water-cooled dingus going, heat wasn't a problem for me. You'll have to judge these matters according to what heatsinks you can find.
cp642's point about the TO-247 case devices is valid. They give better heat transfer, but are more expensive. Your choice.
Grey
i woud like to run my aleph 60 on 25V rails, so the heat
disipation is not so big problem. i have two 30cm x 20cm x 4cm
heatsinks per monoblock.
do i need any other modification on the circuit becouse i use 25V
rails.
i want to build cheap amp posible.
thanks
disipation is not so big problem. i have two 30cm x 20cm x 4cm
heatsinks per monoblock.
do i need any other modification on the circuit becouse i use 25V
rails.
i want to build cheap amp posible.
thanks
To echo Grey's suggestion.....and from Nelson...
Nelson Pass said:Better yet, build a 60 output stage and crank
the bias up higher with the 25 volt rails.
If you go with cp642's suggestion, you'll need a fairly beastly power supply, but it could be fun.
Grey
Grey
here in my country i cant get irf240 or somethink like this for
reasonable money. one irf240 cost like 15 or more irf540 or irf640
if i build aleph 30 the irf640 is not good enough.
so i want aleph 60 on 25 rails with around 2.5 A bias curent.
the final disipation will be around 125W or 62.5W per heatsink.
this is only 10W per output device.
how much power i will get from output?
i would realy like to know if i need any other modification in the
circuit (gain, bias ...)
janey
reasonable money. one irf240 cost like 15 or more irf540 or irf640
if i build aleph 30 the irf640 is not good enough.
so i want aleph 60 on 25 rails with around 2.5 A bias curent.
the final disipation will be around 125W or 62.5W per heatsink.
this is only 10W per output device.
how much power i will get from output?
i would realy like to know if i need any other modification in the
circuit (gain, bias ...)
janey
Since you'll be running the amp with a 25V rail, the advice is build an Aleph 30 front end and match it with an Aleph 60 output stage ( 12 MOSFETS per ch ). Run it at a 2.5A bias. The power output you might expect is equivalent to the power output of an Aleph 30, 30 Watts > 8 ohms and more into lower impedence loads. Be sure your power supply and heatsinking is brute enough to take this punishment if loads of less than 8 ohms is expected.
aleph project
Janey,
I understand your situation.
But my suggestion would be to try and source the prefered output devices and not rush into it or compromise the design in the short term. Have your thought of Mouser, digi key from the USA for Farnell, they operate out of Europe.
At home I found a small company that was willing to import 20 IRFP240 for about A$4.00.
You may even be able to buddy up with some of the other forum members and buy jointly from a prefered location.
If you buy the IRF240/244s for say the Aleph 30 (6 per side with 2 heatsinks per mono block), then later on you can upgrade to the Aleph 60 by doubling the hardware.
This is how I got going and I learnt a lot with the Aleph 3 and now have an Aleph 5.
regards
Ian
Janey,
I understand your situation.
But my suggestion would be to try and source the prefered output devices and not rush into it or compromise the design in the short term. Have your thought of Mouser, digi key from the USA for Farnell, they operate out of Europe.
At home I found a small company that was willing to import 20 IRFP240 for about A$4.00.
You may even be able to buddy up with some of the other forum members and buy jointly from a prefered location.
If you buy the IRF240/244s for say the Aleph 30 (6 per side with 2 heatsinks per mono block), then later on you can upgrade to the Aleph 60 by doubling the hardware.
This is how I got going and I learnt a lot with the Aleph 3 and now have an Aleph 5.
regards
Ian
so.
25V rails, aleph30 front and aleph60 output stage.
but how can i mach those two together.
Janey
25V rails, aleph30 front and aleph60 output stage.
but how can i mach those two together.
Janey
correct me if i am wrong.
aleph60 is biased with 2.22 A of curent and have 35 V
rails.
so total disipation is 155 W or 13 W per output device.
is 13w heat disipation to big for TO-220 transistor (irf640)
Janey
aleph60 is biased with 2.22 A of curent and have 35 V
rails.
so total disipation is 155 W or 13 W per output device.
is 13w heat disipation to big for TO-220 transistor (irf640)
Janey
Essentially you will be building an aleph30 with double output devices. That is 12 instead of 6 per ch.
The service manuals states that aleph60's power consumption's at approximately 200W that's 100W per ch.
The service manuals states that aleph60's power consumption's at approximately 200W that's 100W per ch.
cp642
aleph 60 is a monoblock so i think they mean 200w per chanel.
but i dont know where are get those numbers. my calcuation
give me diferent numbers ( 155w). are my calcuations wrong?
Janey
aleph 60 is a monoblock so i think they mean 200w per chanel.
but i dont know where are get those numbers. my calcuation
give me diferent numbers ( 155w). are my calcuations wrong?
Janey
My calculations come in close at 175W at 2.5A of bias current.This is only the dissipation figure of the amp not accounting for the dissipation in the power supply. I must admit that I'm not good at this 😛 Perhaps someone can lend me a hand in the power calculation part? Grey any comments?
hello
i think aleph60 is biased with 2.22 A of curent.
voltage acros source resistor is 0.37 V and the source resistors
have 1ohm. so the curent on the transistor is 0.37 A
6x 0.37A is 2.22A
Janey
i think aleph60 is biased with 2.22 A of curent.
voltage acros source resistor is 0.37 V and the source resistors
have 1ohm. so the curent on the transistor is 0.37 A
6x 0.37A is 2.22A
Janey
There are some other losses besides the output
stage, so the 200 watt figure reflects the
approximate draw from the wall, otherwise your
figures are pretty correct.
stage, so the 200 watt figure reflects the
approximate draw from the wall, otherwise your
figures are pretty correct.
so the output stage disapate 155w per chanel. this is 13w per
device. 13w is not so big think even with to-220 devices isnt it?
l have big heatsink. 30x20x4cm two per chanel.
Janey
device. 13w is not so big think even with to-220 devices isnt it?
l have big heatsink. 30x20x4cm two per chanel.
Janey
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