Hi,
I have a pair of FE206En in a Kirishima cabinet. But as my nick states, I'm downsizing my living... moving to a smaller house. So it might be that my BLH is too much for the smaller room. Any advise of what kind of speakers to consider?
I've tried to read about Karlson/Karlsonator, some corner horns etc. I'm rather good with a jigsaw/nailgun/hammer/gluegun, but not that good at speaker theory...
Looks like I ends up with a placement where the wall behind the speakers are less than 3 m. wide. Wooden walls on both sides. symmetrical opening on the sidewalls after aprox 2-2.5m and open into a large living room behind the listening position.
I have a pair of FE206En in a Kirishima cabinet. But as my nick states, I'm downsizing my living... moving to a smaller house. So it might be that my BLH is too much for the smaller room. Any advise of what kind of speakers to consider?
I've tried to read about Karlson/Karlsonator, some corner horns etc. I'm rather good with a jigsaw/nailgun/hammer/gluegun, but not that good at speaker theory...
Looks like I ends up with a placement where the wall behind the speakers are less than 3 m. wide. Wooden walls on both sides. symmetrical opening on the sidewalls after aprox 2-2.5m and open into a large living room behind the listening position.
If you have corners the BIB cab for those drivers is an easy build and they are tucked away so to speak so not that intimidating for floor space. Gm's post says it all. Give them a go, you won't be disappointed if you load then as per the design requirements.
I have mine in a double bass reflex enclosure, relatively small and sound great to me. Cabinets are easy and cheap to build, give it a try you might like. Just giving
an option.
an option.
Thanks, guys!
I might add that I'm not after a speaker that will fill the "big room" but play good my smaller "room". See attached plans. The red marking is where I plan to have the speakers, and the table in the middle of the room will not be there..
My current speakers will, for sure, fill the main room as well as the smaller part with sound. I'm just afraid that it will be too much bass.
@Freddi, Do you know where I can download plans for the Karlson's?
I might add that I'm not after a speaker that will fill the "big room" but play good my smaller "room". See attached plans. The red marking is where I plan to have the speakers, and the table in the middle of the room will not be there..
My current speakers will, for sure, fill the main room as well as the smaller part with sound. I'm just afraid that it will be too much bass.
@Freddi, Do you know where I can download plans for the Karlson's?
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If it's excessive you can always bleed off a bit of pressure. Better to have too much than too little; if there's too much you can do something about it.
That's true! My intention with this thread is just to seek advise about what's suitable for this driver in case I have to do something more drastic. It's the smallest room I've ever planned to have a decent stereo in, so I'm on unfamiliar turf. 🙂
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You are a luckey guy to have 206en in Krishna cabs.
You have been bitten by the speaker building bug. Moving to a smaller room is just an excuse.
Any way I congragulate you on this golden oppertunity and wish you great rewards.
Before I forget the plans for Karlsson 8"
http://home.planet.nl/~ulfman/images/Plans/original.gif
Please get the valuable advise of Dr. Scott before going this way.
I am telling you this because you are a lucky guy and haven't suffered the pain of having to listen to the
Mid range shout of the 206en as you are using it in a double mouth BLH where the low end comes out to match the high mids. Therefore by reducing the volume you can enjoy the sound of balanced music.
By the way its difficult to predict what your present combination will sound in your new location.
Just try it out at different volumes and you might find the expected result.
I must warn you if you go the double bass refles way for the 206en you will end up using a bsc to kill some of its mids.
If I were you My thoughts would be the Vofo to suit the drawing of the new location.
Even there I strongly suggest seek the advice of Dr. Scott regarding the 206en in the Vofo.
Wish you the best.
You have been bitten by the speaker building bug. Moving to a smaller room is just an excuse.
Any way I congragulate you on this golden oppertunity and wish you great rewards.
Before I forget the plans for Karlsson 8"
http://home.planet.nl/~ulfman/images/Plans/original.gif
Please get the valuable advise of Dr. Scott before going this way.
I am telling you this because you are a lucky guy and haven't suffered the pain of having to listen to the
Mid range shout of the 206en as you are using it in a double mouth BLH where the low end comes out to match the high mids. Therefore by reducing the volume you can enjoy the sound of balanced music.
By the way its difficult to predict what your present combination will sound in your new location.
Just try it out at different volumes and you might find the expected result.
I must warn you if you go the double bass refles way for the 206en you will end up using a bsc to kill some of its mids.
If I were you My thoughts would be the Vofo to suit the drawing of the new location.
Even there I strongly suggest seek the advice of Dr. Scott regarding the 206en in the Vofo.
Wish you the best.
Baffle Step Correction: When is it needed?
A nother Karlsson 8 suitanle for the 206en.
By the way the Vofo needs a BSC to cut off the mids and also the highs as a result. The beauty of 206en is its ability to go high as a FR. Well do we need to nip the top end and make a Zombie of it ?
A nother Karlsson 8 suitanle for the 206en.
By the way the Vofo needs a BSC to cut off the mids and also the highs as a result. The beauty of 206en is its ability to go high as a FR. Well do we need to nip the top end and make a Zombie of it ?
Regarding using the Karlsonator8, its tuned to around 41Hz - which may work ok but probalby tuned too low for punch.
In XRK971's post below he speaks of scaling Karlsonator8 for a very low Q Fostex 8. Its confusing as he says 0.53X width as that's not wide enough to mount a 6 inch speaker muchless an 8. Perhaps he will clarify that statement. (maybe "width" = front to back depth ?)
Mini Karlsonator (0.53X) with Dual TC9FD's
FE206EN plays well enough with a K12. K12 are tuned around 62Hz. I'd imagine 70Hz would be where it starts rolling off.
Response of a scaled down (0.62X) K15 with FE206EN. K12 will be a bit lower but not much.
(that graph may have been taken with the cabinet elvated 30 inches off the floot)
https://i.imgur.com/i266Azn.gif
Karlsonator8 plan by GregB
https://i.imgur.com/Crig5iH.png
1960's Karlson K8 plan with two panel reflector. K8 were tuned around 95Hz
and probably good to a 100Hz crossover to woofer/subwoofer.
https://i.imgur.com/0BL0Ihb.png
One K8 plan - not sure how close to Karlson's 1955 K8 (I'll have to
look for those dims) A top gap/shelf port may work well with this size.
https://i.imgur.com/deKwknH.jpg
XRK971 suggested a reasonably small (24 liter) XKi alignment for FE206EN
-that could be fun to try
XKi - X's ab initio Karlson 6th Order Bandpass
Here's a nearly K10 cabinet tried with FE206EN which was called "SK8". It had a curved reflector.
I think it might have measured better with a simple canted port panel. It sounded good with FE206EN,
AN8 and W8-1772. Three sets of wings were tried and FE206EN worked well with all. The fast opening
could aid with a driver whose mid/treble response is a bit lacking or laid back.
https://i.imgur.com/dHdfPBm.jpg
In XRK971's post below he speaks of scaling Karlsonator8 for a very low Q Fostex 8. Its confusing as he says 0.53X width as that's not wide enough to mount a 6 inch speaker muchless an 8. Perhaps he will clarify that statement. (maybe "width" = front to back depth ?)
Mini Karlsonator (0.53X) with Dual TC9FD's
FE206EN plays well enough with a K12. K12 are tuned around 62Hz. I'd imagine 70Hz would be where it starts rolling off.
Response of a scaled down (0.62X) K15 with FE206EN. K12 will be a bit lower but not much.
(that graph may have been taken with the cabinet elvated 30 inches off the floot)
https://i.imgur.com/i266Azn.gif
Karlsonator8 plan by GregB
https://i.imgur.com/Crig5iH.png
1960's Karlson K8 plan with two panel reflector. K8 were tuned around 95Hz
and probably good to a 100Hz crossover to woofer/subwoofer.
https://i.imgur.com/0BL0Ihb.png
One K8 plan - not sure how close to Karlson's 1955 K8 (I'll have to
look for those dims) A top gap/shelf port may work well with this size.
https://i.imgur.com/deKwknH.jpg
XRK971 suggested a reasonably small (24 liter) XKi alignment for FE206EN
-that could be fun to try
XKi - X's ab initio Karlson 6th Order Bandpass
Here's a nearly K10 cabinet tried with FE206EN which was called "SK8". It had a curved reflector.
I think it might have measured better with a simple canted port panel. It sounded good with FE206EN,
AN8 and W8-1772. Three sets of wings were tried and FE206EN worked well with all. The fast opening
could aid with a driver whose mid/treble response is a bit lacking or laid back.
https://i.imgur.com/dHdfPBm.jpg
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FWIW - the original rough Karlsonator8 prototype ran a FE206EN. I never got to hear it as both were ruined in the builder's basement flood.
With a good K-coupler to driver tonal match, there should be no front chamber damping material needed. Its somewhat a try and see/hear situation. Some little coupler could come out pretty bad without damping - or using foamcore build and very bad
if small with high Q peak/hole.
Moray Jame K-T-line couplers with curved reflector. I still have a plan of his for (believe) FE207 and could post - with his permission.
With a good K-coupler to driver tonal match, there should be no front chamber damping material needed. Its somewhat a try and see/hear situation. Some little coupler could come out pretty bad without damping - or using foamcore build and very bad
if small with high Q peak/hole.
Moray Jame K-T-line couplers with curved reflector. I still have a plan of his for (believe) FE207 and could post - with his permission.
Using MMJ's fudge hornresp model for the Acoustic Control 115BK, I think I can get ballpark low end predictoins for that cabinet which would correspond to my K10 based on K15 when loaded with FE206EN. The model probably is more optimistic on the low end than real.
24th September 2013, 03:01 AM #147 diyaudio, Karlsonator thread
tb46
Hi xrk971,
In Post #146 are you showing internal dimensions? I'll attach what I have for the original Karlsonator, please, let me know if there are any errors in this drawing.
Regards,
Attached FilesKarlsonator_Original.pdf (27.9 KB, 125 views)
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tb46
Hi xrk971,
In Post #146 are you showing internal dimensions? I'll attach what I have for the original Karlsonator, please, let me know if there are any errors in this drawing.
Regards,
Attached FilesKarlsonator_Original.pdf (27.9 KB, 125 views)
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Oliver
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/att...79970084-karlsonator-karlsonator_original-pdf
Finally, I think that I have managed to attach the link of the 8" original.
Finally, I think that I have managed to attach the link of the 8" original.
Hmm, I thought this was Greg B's original, which is somewhat smaller: Imgur: The magic of the Internet
GM
GM
X's statment of 0.53 width is confusing. Since a Karlsonator8 has a 12" wide baffle, the scaled baffle would be 6.36" in width - hardly enough to accomodate an 8" diameter frame driver.
Even when based to the Karlsonator(12) whose baffle width (that was based on Karlson's K12) 0f 15.25", 15.25"*0.53 = we get ~8 inches - kinda tight - but doable.
The red drawiing looks like something done by TB46 - sure miss him (assumed passed away several years back)
Even when based to the Karlsonator(12) whose baffle width (that was based on Karlson's K12) 0f 15.25", 15.25"*0.53 = we get ~8 inches - kinda tight - but doable.
The red drawiing looks like something done by TB46 - sure miss him (assumed passed away several years back)
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/att...79970084-karlsonator-karlsonator_original-pdf
Freddi
You are refering to Karlsonator 6 which is X 0.53
See forum Karlsonator #157
I read somewhere that the Karlsonator 8 is a X 0.62
See forum Karlsonator #203 for a clearer image of the 8 and read your comments.
'History repeats' in this case after 5 years.
Freddi
You are refering to Karlsonator 6 which is X 0.53
See forum Karlsonator #157
I read somewhere that the Karlsonator 8 is a X 0.62
See forum Karlsonator #203 for a clearer image of the 8 and read your comments.
'History repeats' in this case after 5 years.