Does anyone know this 6.5" speaker?
The only info I have was a sticker on the magnet:
"Vision Acoustique
Ref: 40170DB
101352L 29001"
I can't find useful information on the web, so does anyone know something more about this speaker (T/S parameters) ??
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The only info I have was a sticker on the magnet:
"Vision Acoustique
Ref: 40170DB
101352L 29001"
I can't find useful information on the web, so does anyone know something more about this speaker (T/S parameters) ??
Sure looks like a french Audax speaker.....the basket and magnet definitely are Audax. With its paper cone (appears to be one) it could be a HM 170GO or something along those lines. Have a look for Audax in Google, they still should have a homepage (major OEM supplier).
Good luck,
Oliver
Good luck,
Oliver
audax
Well I checked.....it seems to be a Audax HM 170G8 that can be found on "www.audax.fr"....go to produits and then gamme prestige, et voila! 😉
Well I checked.....it seems to be a Audax HM 170G8 that can be found on "www.audax.fr"....go to produits and then gamme prestige, et voila! 😉
Usually in french terminology DB stands for Double Bobine, dual voice coil. Since there are two pairs of input tags seems to me to be definitely the case here.
Vision acoustique is a french manufacturer of loudspeakers. they do not make their units themselves, so this is an OEM unit. Specs might be quite a bit different that the standard Audax specs.
Vision acoustique is a french manufacturer of loudspeakers. they do not make their units themselves, so this is an OEM unit. Specs might be quite a bit different that the standard Audax specs.
But i can still use the specs on the audex site, can i.
don't have a other choice, i dont have the equipment to measure the T/S myself...
don't have a other choice, i dont have the equipment to measure the T/S myself...
in this post on the audax forum someone seeems to have had the same problem as yours: http://www.audax.fr/forum/read_mess.php3?id=38222
the ref you should search for is audax HT 170 G28. it is dual voice coil as i mentioned. Could not find anything on google...Maybe try a mail to audax since vision acoustique is out of business?
Good luck
T
the ref you should search for is audax HT 170 G28. it is dual voice coil as i mentioned. Could not find anything on google...Maybe try a mail to audax since vision acoustique is out of business?
Good luck
T
e-side said:
BTW, Usually OEM units are tailored for a certain internal volume the manufacturer wants to use, etc etc... Vas, Qts,... might differ significantely from the generic audax unit. And there's the added trouble of the dual voice coil for designing the x-over...
C37 said:
The voice coils are both 4 ohm (2*4), so when i wire them in series, it won't be a problem for an 8 Ohm crossover.
At www.visionacoustique.com i saw the 'Eden II', and it looks like it's the same driver as this one...
Does audax have an emailadress? I think it's the only option cause i can't find anthing.
They are showing <info@e44.com> as a contact address. Seems to be their general distributor for France.
Good luck,
Oliver
Good luck,
Oliver
hi
audax is definitely out of buiseness
you can have some answers on :
http://www.audax.fr/forum/index.php3?idpage=1
http://www.e44.com/
this is a HM 170 Z 2 speaker
z stands for "aerogel"
2 is the number of voice coils
if you read 4 ohms , this is a made to order speaker, usualy they were 8 ohm.
you use the first voice coil for added bass ( or baffle diffraction compensation) through a 10 mH inductor.
then the second VC is filtred as usual with a series coil or coil/capacitor cell.
my advice is to use a simple 0,15 mH coil in series with the second VC and add a high pass filter to the tweeter.
audax is definitely out of buiseness
you can have some answers on :
http://www.audax.fr/forum/index.php3?idpage=1
http://www.e44.com/
this is a HM 170 Z 2 speaker
z stands for "aerogel"
2 is the number of voice coils
if you read 4 ohms , this is a made to order speaker, usualy they were 8 ohm.
you use the first voice coil for added bass ( or baffle diffraction compensation) through a 10 mH inductor.
then the second VC is filtred as usual with a series coil or coil/capacitor cell.
my advice is to use a simple 0,15 mH coil in series with the second VC and add a high pass filter to the tweeter.
Thanks for all the information.
the hm170z2 also really looks like this driver...
maybe even more than the hm170g8, because the 170g8 has a different dust cap.
But what kind of material is aerogel? the cone looks like paper 😕
the hm170z2 also really looks like this driver...
maybe even more than the hm170g8, because the 170g8 has a different dust cap.
But what kind of material is aerogel? the cone looks like paper 😕
me jumping back in again... 😉
Aerogel is a mixture of different fibres formed to a cone that was devellopped by Audax and used exclusively. I still have a pair of HM 170Z lying somewhere waiting to be used...
From the pictures I'd say it is a paper cone......
Maybe you have to find somebody to have your TSP measured...
Aerogel is a mixture of different fibres formed to a cone that was devellopped by Audax and used exclusively. I still have a pair of HM 170Z lying somewhere waiting to be used...
From the pictures I'd say it is a paper cone......
Maybe you have to find somebody to have your TSP measured...
Well from the looks of the backside of the cone, i would say it IS aerogel!
if your cone backside looks like a grey rough surface kind of felt, and when you touch it is feels stiff that's definitely aerogel.
I have suffisently dealt with such cones to know!
the dustcap is maybe Vision proprietary, usualy it came with a rubber cone or larger dustcaps.
if i have time tuesday, i'll take a few shots of paper cone and aerogel cone backsides, just to compare
then i'll probably find some audax technical sheets...
if your cone backside looks like a grey rough surface kind of felt, and when you touch it is feels stiff that's definitely aerogel.
I have suffisently dealt with such cones to know!
the dustcap is maybe Vision proprietary, usualy it came with a rubber cone or larger dustcaps.
if i have time tuesday, i'll take a few shots of paper cone and aerogel cone backsides, just to compare
then i'll probably find some audax technical sheets...
When i see this aerogel cone i think my driver has a paper cone, because the cone's back surface is smooth, and it doesn't look like the aerogel cone. But thanks a lot for the effort!
I also emailed e44, but they sent an auto-message telling me they don't accept emails at the moment, because of spam.
I also emailed e44, but they sent an auto-message telling me they don't accept emails at the moment, because of spam.
Apparently i have to measure the TSP. At http://www.diysubwoofers.org/measure.htm they explain how to do. Could I use this method or should i use an other??
tsp
To measure the tsp you'll need a suitable software and a decent soundcard on your PC.
When my memory doesn't fail on me there is good freeware available, like Justmls (??) or the german Hobbybox (full demo). They measure via a mls-signal, you can even measue frequency response and such. Hobbybox also lists suitable soundcards....
To measure the tsp you'll need a suitable software and a decent soundcard on your PC.
When my memory doesn't fail on me there is good freeware available, like Justmls (??) or the german Hobbybox (full demo). They measure via a mls-signal, you can even measue frequency response and such. Hobbybox also lists suitable soundcards....
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