Does somebody know the purpose of YM3613B?

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guytou

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2005-03-09 10:22 pm
marseille
  • #1
    ...It's located between the decoder (YM3616) and the digital filter.
    I can't find any datasheet , except resumed characteristics on servicemanual of my YAMAHA CDX 810 CDP .

    My idea is to well understand what does this device , and eventually bypass it , since the decoder already supply a dataflow (Dout , SDSY , BCK ) . Thanks in advance !

    P.S. : I've already dypassed the DF .
     
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    Chris Daly

    Member
    2004-09-14 12:45 am
    New Zealand
  • #3
    As luck has it i have a schematic for a CDX920
    containing this very chipset , the YM3613B
    appears to convert the 3616 word lengths into
    Wordclock Bitclock and data , it also has the purpose
    of clock generation and digital out.

    It appears to me to be essential for the players operation
    signals originating from the 3616 are vastly different
    and need the YM3613B to correlate Wordclock Bit clock
    and Data further downstream. You cant simply bypass it
    doing so will make the player stop as it has no common
    word lengths to work with, and would have no clock
    generation. Frequency arising from the 3613b is
    16.9344 MHz

    Cheers / Chris
     
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    guytou

    Member
    2005-03-09 10:22 pm
    marseille
  • #4
    Thanks for replies , scoottnixon and chrisdaly , what i don't understand yet is that the 3616 seems (from the pinchart & block diagram) to have a real dataflow , not biphase : pin66 : SDO . pin 67 : SDSY . pin 68 :eek:2 (I think BCK) . For chrisdaly ,in case of bypassing 3613B I would obviously transfer the xtal from 3613 to 3616 , What are you thinking ,I mean what's exactly the interface purpose of 3613B ? Thanks .
     
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    Chris Daly

    Member
    2004-09-14 12:45 am
    New Zealand
  • #7
    The 3616 is the main processor ic for the player
    it has word lengths and data flow quite different to
    what the chips further downstream require.

    Put simply it is speaking a totally different language
    that has no similarity to what occurs later.

    If you try and make the 3616 do this on its own
    I consider the player will instantly stop, you risk
    the processor ic stopping as well, with possibly no way
    of its starting again. Its a bit like riding a pushbike
    down Londons subway... it makes no sense at all !!!

    Define what you are trying to achieve, if you think
    for instance that clock timings are ragged or similar
    use a schmidt trigger such as 74AC14 to square
    leading edges up. You can come to little harm from
    using these devices which are always beneficial
    in logic transfer. generally speaking any digital
    waveform benefits from tidying up. Read up about
    Schmidt triggers and look up a pinout for the device
    you intend using. Bypassing ic's that are essential
    for the players function can only lead to having to
    buy another player.

    Cheers / Chris
     
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    Chris Daly

    Member
    2004-09-14 12:45 am
    New Zealand
  • #8
    Just confirming The 3613b is essential for the players
    operation it cannot simply be bypassed.

    From the schematic I am viewing it is well implemented
    to convert the 3616's wordlengths into data bitclock and wordclock ( Yamaha equivalents ).

    Likewise its clock generation circuit is well thought out
    and engineered.

    Im sorry there is little tweaking in this part of the circuit
    however Schmidt trigger implementation may prove
    beneficial , Im happy to suggest which lines may
    benefit, but may need your schematic to confirm

    Hope this is of help.
    Cheers / Chris
     
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    guytou

    Member
    2005-03-09 10:22 pm
    marseille
  • #9
    Thanks guys for the very complete replies . In fact I am quite newbee with that stuff and i thought the 3616 was working the way a CXD 2545 works , i.e. it feeds directly the dac . I have to learn more on datas transfer formats , by following this marvellous forum , for the moment my old CDP sounds well , except lot of skipping , but the pickup (TAOHS-JP3) costs about 150 USD here in france !

    Here is the sheme of the aforementioned part (digital section of
    YAMAHA CDX-810) , how sounds for you ?
    My attempt came from that i use to have another CDP with same DF/DAC (ym3433/PCM56) , but not the same mechanic/decoder (KSM213/CXD2500) , and I can't regain the same accuracy , definition with my YAMAHA . So I suspect wether mechanism or decoder/digital path .
     
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    comploeter

    Member
    2005-07-27 9:27 am
    near amsterdam
  • #14
    More information about digital transmitter: YM3613B

    Searching for information about digital transmitter: YM3613B
    Package: DIL-24. Announced in the late 80's by Yamaha
    Purpose: trying to upgrade my vintage CD player: JVC XL-M301

    Considering trying to modify the player's electronics I take a look and opened the case. In beginning, the YM3613B seems to be crucial in audio data processing / transferring. I discovered a set of components that isn't placed actually, I only saw some footprints and copper routing to the YM3613B. A 4-pin connector with a ground pin and a logical power pin also belong to the group not-placed components. It's clear that I'm curious now an want to know more about it.

    Could someone supply me some information about the YM3613B?
    A pinout with pin description shall be sufficient, however a datasheet or some schematics would be perfect.
     
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