So I've decided to build an electronic crossover. Do I give it line-in or speaker-level inputs? In other words, do I position between my source and my amp or between my amp and my speakers?
Thanks!
-LD
Thanks!
-LD
Hi,
yes line level.
Most amps require a MAXIMUM signal of 200mV to 2000mV. Your spec sheet should tell you what your sensitivities are. You need the same gain in each filter/amp/speaker combo. If all your speaker units have the same sensitivity and all you amps the same gain then you can manage without gain adjust on the filter outputs. Otherwise add a buffered gain adjust.
The voltage that your filter opamps run at could be +-15Vdc. The maximum signal through the filter string and output will be approx (15+15)/3 Vrms i.e. about 10Vrms into a high impedance and somewhat lower into lower loads. This will easily drive any unbalanced amp input with an impedance >=10k.
yes line level.
Most amps require a MAXIMUM signal of 200mV to 2000mV. Your spec sheet should tell you what your sensitivities are. You need the same gain in each filter/amp/speaker combo. If all your speaker units have the same sensitivity and all you amps the same gain then you can manage without gain adjust on the filter outputs. Otherwise add a buffered gain adjust.
The voltage that your filter opamps run at could be +-15Vdc. The maximum signal through the filter string and output will be approx (15+15)/3 Vrms i.e. about 10Vrms into a high impedance and somewhat lower into lower loads. This will easily drive any unbalanced amp input with an impedance >=10k.
Electronic Cross Over
By definition an electronic crossover is a line level device. Your power amps always come after the electronic crossover.
By definition an electronic crossover is a line level device. Your power amps always come after the electronic crossover.
Stinkpot:
I notice you said amp, not amps. If you have one amp only, you have no use for an electronic crossover. You need 2+ amps; one for each frequency band.
I notice you said amp, not amps. If you have one amp only, you have no use for an electronic crossover. You need 2+ amps; one for each frequency band.
Thanks all for the info.
Bill:
I have a powered sub, so that's the second amp.
Everyone:
I guess I phrased the question this way, because I have been thinking of getting an integrated amp that may or may not have pre-out/main-in jacks. As a result, I was trying to figure out where to stick the crossover.
Bill:
I have a powered sub, so that's the second amp.
Everyone:
I guess I phrased the question this way, because I have been thinking of getting an integrated amp that may or may not have pre-out/main-in jacks. As a result, I was trying to figure out where to stick the crossover.
If the integrated has no pre out/amp in then you don't have use for an electronic crossover either.
Re: Electronic Cross Over
But it doesn't say where you get the input signal for the XO. In a case where you have no pre/power inputs on a receiver or integrated, speaker level inputs can be used (almost every plate amp has them). This is usually considered a compromise, but there is a school of thot that has the SS sub amplifier feed from the output transformers (ie speaker level) of a SET to get better integration of the sonics of the woofer & the speakers on the top.
dave
But it doesn't say where you get the input signal for the XO. In a case where you have no pre/power inputs on a receiver or integrated, speaker level inputs can be used (almost every plate amp has them). This is usually considered a compromise, but there is a school of thot that has the SS sub amplifier feed from the output transformers (ie speaker level) of a SET to get better integration of the sonics of the woofer & the speakers on the top.
dave
Yes but...
Yes but you still need power amps after the electronic crossover. Besides, when the signal is taken from speaker level it has to be greatly attenuated. Even a sub plate amp has a power amp built in. Perhaps the originator of the thread could more fully describe what he was trying to do.
Yes but you still need power amps after the electronic crossover. Besides, when the signal is taken from speaker level it has to be greatly attenuated. Even a sub plate amp has a power amp built in. Perhaps the originator of the thread could more fully describe what he was trying to do.
Sorry. More
If indeed you are merely trying to make an electronic crossover for a sub woofer, you can indeed use the speaker level outputs of your source. You just have to attenuate the signal to line level. Use resistive dividers to attenuate the signal about 10:1. Then run this through the sub-woofer filter, while running the other speakers full range, and after the sub-woofer filter, to a sub power amp.
There may be some subwoofer crossover designs at www.schematicsforfree.mattsoft.net
If indeed you are merely trying to make an electronic crossover for a sub woofer, you can indeed use the speaker level outputs of your source. You just have to attenuate the signal to line level. Use resistive dividers to attenuate the signal about 10:1. Then run this through the sub-woofer filter, while running the other speakers full range, and after the sub-woofer filter, to a sub power amp.
There may be some subwoofer crossover designs at www.schematicsforfree.mattsoft.net
thanks a lot for the info guys - i apologize, i think i may have mispoken:
by electronic crossover, i meant an active cross-over (i thought they were synonymous but perhaps not).
in any case, i'm not sure i want to build another filter to attenuate the speaker-level signal and then feed that into the XO - what a mess.
i guess i'll just keep an eye out for an integrated w/ pre-outs.
by electronic crossover, i meant an active cross-over (i thought they were synonymous but perhaps not).
in any case, i'm not sure i want to build another filter to attenuate the speaker-level signal and then feed that into the XO - what a mess.
i guess i'll just keep an eye out for an integrated w/ pre-outs.
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