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Now is time to learn about bandpass subs.
Is this driver a suitable candidate for 4th order bandpass below 50hz?
http://solen.ca/wp-content/uploads/SD270A-88.pdf
-Shawn
Now is time to learn about bandpass subs.
Is this driver a suitable candidate for 4th order bandpass below 50hz?
http://solen.ca/wp-content/uploads/SD270A-88.pdf
-Shawn
Hi Shawn,
I am not able to run the numbers at tha moment but just off the top of my head, the driver should work fine. Depending on the S and Qbp you pick for the alignment, you should be able to get an FL of about 30hz or lower and an FH of around 80hz. With an xmax of 6mm the out put would be limited. I am building a Bandpass as well, almost ready to start cutting wood for the prototype. I will run the numbers when I get a chance. I am sure there is someone with a lot more experience then me though.
Regards,
Matt
I am not able to run the numbers at tha moment but just off the top of my head, the driver should work fine. Depending on the S and Qbp you pick for the alignment, you should be able to get an FL of about 30hz or lower and an FH of around 80hz. With an xmax of 6mm the out put would be limited. I am building a Bandpass as well, almost ready to start cutting wood for the prototype. I will run the numbers when I get a chance. I am sure there is someone with a lot more experience then me though.
Regards,
Matt
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Thanks Matt.
My mains will go have an f3 and fc of 95hz. Does it make sense to use a pair of sealed 8" I already have to go down to ~50hz and use a band pass of two below that?
In terms of drivers I have a limited selection, affordable and available from Solen.ca because the CAD to USD exchange is so low and shipping/duty fees Parts-Express is out.
I'll wait to hear back if you get the chance.
Thanks
Shawn
My mains will go have an f3 and fc of 95hz. Does it make sense to use a pair of sealed 8" I already have to go down to ~50hz and use a band pass of two below that?
In terms of drivers I have a limited selection, affordable and available from Solen.ca because the CAD to USD exchange is so low and shipping/duty fees Parts-Express is out.
I'll wait to hear back if you get the chance.
Thanks
Shawn
This may work for you.
S= .6
Qbp= .9904
Vf= 28.6 cu.l
Vr= 24.97 cu.l
FB= 60.3
FL= 37.88hz
FH= 96.13hz
You should use the largest port area that you can while still being able to fit the port length in the box. There are several calculators available online to help with the box tuning, to find port length for the port area you would like to use. For my own project I am trying to use a port area half of the SD of the subwoofers. If you haven't already checked it out, there is some great info and projects on this website.
The Subwoofer DIY Page - 4th Order Bandpass Systems
Hope this helps. Brian Steele posts here all the time. He may be able to help better than I can. I still learning.
Regards,
Matt
S= .6
Qbp= .9904
Vf= 28.6 cu.l
Vr= 24.97 cu.l
FB= 60.3
FL= 37.88hz
FH= 96.13hz
You should use the largest port area that you can while still being able to fit the port length in the box. There are several calculators available online to help with the box tuning, to find port length for the port area you would like to use. For my own project I am trying to use a port area half of the SD of the subwoofers. If you haven't already checked it out, there is some great info and projects on this website.
The Subwoofer DIY Page - 4th Order Bandpass Systems
Hope this helps. Brian Steele posts here all the time. He may be able to help better than I can. I still learning.
Regards,
Matt
The three main issues of the design are likely going to be : (1)coming up with a box with the required volume that can fit the driver while allowing it to be removable, (2) tuning it to the correct frequency (the port length calculations are an estimate an the port will likely have to be trimmed back a bit to achieve the target FB, and (3) dealing with the out of band noise.
3) I am using active dsp. Does this help with out of band noise? Reticulated foam in the port?
2) I still don't know what some of the parameter abbreviations mean. Ported enclosures is all new to me. The whole concept still hasn't 'clicked' I don't totally get what is going on with the port.
1) I can get pretty crafty with building. Once I know what constraints I'm working with.
2) I still don't know what some of the parameter abbreviations mean. Ported enclosures is all new to me. The whole concept still hasn't 'clicked' I don't totally get what is going on with the port.
1) I can get pretty crafty with building. Once I know what constraints I'm working with.
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FWIW, I find these applets is a good way to 'wrap your mind' around how a vented cab works. Scroll down to them and wouldn't hurt to read the article also 
: Welcome Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity
GM
: Welcome Secrets of Home Theater and High FidelityGM
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FYI, to get good vent performance from a BP 'sub' often requires a large, long vent, so using a passive radiator [PR] with an effective piston area at least 2.5x the woofer's 'Sd' spec is a good plan.
GM
FWIW, I find these applets is a good way to 'wrap your mind' around how a vented cab works. Scroll down to them and wouldn't hurt to read the article also
GM
Good stuff GM. A book that I have found to be very helpful to me is The Loudspeaker Design Cookbook. The material is presented in a way that was easy for me to understand. There are also several papers available online describing the different types of Bandpass enclosures with formulas to help design them. The more complicated Bandpass designs will need a program to sim. The sealed rear chamber Bandpass can be done using pen, paper and a calculator. Well I need to run, work is calling.
Regards,
Matt
Dayton Audio SD270A-88 10" DVC Sub
Shawn,
This would be the limit for a
4th order bandpass
6th order bandpass
Obvious that a tuning of 12Hz (), on the 6.order, will give a very lengthly port. So I would go with a more manageable frequency, 15Hz or 16Hz and up, the extension being affected but the port being short. The 4.order looks like a clean alternative, not doing infra-sound.
Shawn,
This would be the limit for a
4th order bandpass
6th order bandpass
Obvious that a tuning of 12Hz (), on the 6.order, will give a very lengthly port. So I would go with a more manageable frequency, 15Hz or 16Hz and up, the extension being affected but the port being short. The 4.order looks like a clean alternative, not doing infra-sound.
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Hey sorry, I was away for a few days. Looking at this info it seems like the Dayton in a 4th order bandpass doesn't go too low before -3db. Can boosting with eq make up for this or is that looking for trouble?
Maybe I should back up a bit and ask..
Using either sealed for 4th order. What is the best way for me to cover 100hz down?
I only have access to budget drivers from Solen.ca and a pair of Seas P21RE.
Maybe I should back up a bit and ask..
Using either sealed for 4th order. What is the best way for me to cover 100hz down?
I only have access to budget drivers from Solen.ca and a pair of Seas P21RE.
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From 100Hz can't be BP.
H0313 P21RE - Seas is a very nice vintage driver. Works in a sealed or reflex.
H0313 P21RE - Seas
Hi All,
FYI: Different Band-pass Subs where of course the Quarter-wave type is second to none
b
Can you explain to me a bit what going on in your graphs. Some of that is a bit over my head.
Hi,
I can see 3 different designs; a 4.order BP, a 6.order BP and a tapped horn with Dayton SD270A. Look at the output curves in frequency, it might be what you are looking for. (Bjorno, please correct me if I'm wrong...)
Ok, it's making more sense to me now. I was intimidated by everything.
The 4th order looks good. I would be plenty happy with that performance.
For building it, do I just have to follow the volume of each chamber? or should certain boundary lengths be observed?
Thanks for modelling that for me!
Shawn
The 4th order looks good. I would be plenty happy with that performance.
For building it, do I just have to follow the volume of each chamber? or should certain boundary lengths be observed?
Thanks for modelling that for me!
Shawn
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