I put together a small amp with the LM 3886 chip and it is currently powering my AR3A's which are 4 ohms. The power supply is putting out 28 volts +- and the unit operates without noise or any issues so far. I do not listen at very high levels and wanted to find out the current temp on the chip and the heatsink. The laser temp gauge indicates 95 F on the chip about 100 on the heatsink after about 3 hours of normal to moderate volume levels
My concern, after reading some threads that running 4 ohm speakers is not a good thing with these chips, is are these temps too high and will there be issues and possible melt down.?. I do have 8 ohm speakers to substitute and will do that to see the difference in operating temps.
Anyone have any advice on this? Thanks for the time Cheers Wayne
My concern, after reading some threads that running 4 ohm speakers is not a good thing with these chips, is are these temps too high and will there be issues and possible melt down.?. I do have 8 ohm speakers to substitute and will do that to see the difference in operating temps.
Anyone have any advice on this? Thanks for the time Cheers Wayne
Hi Wayne
if I am right....100F are about 38 ° Celcius - no problem so far. keep that heat sink😉
chris
if I am right....100F are about 38 ° Celcius - no problem so far. keep that heat sink😉
chris
That doesn't seem excessive to me, not at all in fact. The maximum junction temperature (*) is 150 degrees Celsius or 302 degrees Fahrenheit, so there is still quite some margin for temperature differences between chip and heatsink.
(*): At this chip temperature, it doesn't go into thermal shutdown and it still meets the manufacturer's reliability targets, but it gets more reliable when you stay well below it.
(*): At this chip temperature, it doesn't go into thermal shutdown and it still meets the manufacturer's reliability targets, but it gets more reliable when you stay well below it.
They will not “melt down”. 100 degrees Fahrenheit = around 38 degrees Celsius, seriously, that’s nothing for electronic components .
But are you sure your reading is right? Usually the chip is a little bit hotter than the heat sink...
But are you sure your reading is right? Usually the chip is a little bit hotter than the heat sink...
The LM3886 will power down once its thermal limit is reached. Before that happens, you'll find that the SPiKe (SOA protection) will engage, which causes the THD to degrade significantly and harsh "chipamp" sound to be emitted by the speakers as result. With a 4 Ω load, the SPiKe system will engage sooner due to the higher output current.
I suggest reading: Taming the LM3886 Chip Amplifier – Neurochrome
Specifically the sections about output power and thermal design will be of value to you.
Tom
I suggest reading: Taming the LM3886 Chip Amplifier – Neurochrome
Specifically the sections about output power and thermal design will be of value to you.
Tom
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Thank you all for your input on this subject. The heat sink I used was from a 150 watt FET amp so it is quite large and had the right hole spacing and was already threaded. The chip itself was hotter then the heat sink, my mistake.
Thanks again and I hope everyone has a Merry Christmas and great New Year
Cheers Wayne
Thank you all for your input on this subject. The heat sink I used was from a 150 watt FET amp so it is quite large and had the right hole spacing and was already threaded. The chip itself was hotter then the heat sink, my mistake.
Thanks again and I hope everyone has a Merry Christmas and great New Year
Cheers Wayne
The easy answer for these things is usually to consult the manufacturer's data sheets. As long as you are within their safe parameter, it should be fine.
Then that measurement is wrong.
If true it would imply heat is flowing from heatsink towards chip amp, which of course is not the case.
I am always dismayed when suppossedly "accurate measurements* fail to show the *basic concept* behind them, meaning these are not really understood.
Truth behind this, of course, is that your meter is measuring not *chip* temperature, by any means, but that of "a black plastic surface around it", quite a different thing.
What´s important is actual Chip temperature, which looks like a tiny blob of etched metal inside that plastic case, and soldered to a flat copper heat spreader.
If anything, you might pop that black epoxy over off without damaging the real chip (easier said than done).
Honestly you just need touch it. If it's not too hot to hold your finger on it for a few seconds without wincing in pain, you're well within operating temps. If the smell of burning flesh permeates the air, it's probably too hot ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Hi all.
Well said. I know this is an old topic, but I figure some info might be useful to others (and I'm bored). So-called 'laser' thermometers are (unless I am wrong) just infrared sensors. The laser just shows the user what the sensor is looking at.
The important part is that these devices operate using some kind of assumption of blackbody radiation. A perfectly absorbing (thus perfectly emitting) object emits power proportionnal to the 4th power of the absolute temperature. But a non-perfect absorber emits a fraction of the blackbody power, at the same temperature. As a result, for instance, a gold brick (reflects IR) would be measured cooler by the infrared sensor than, say, a graphite brick--even if they were exactly at the same T.
I suspect the higher temperature of the OP's heat sink is just this kind of measurement artifact. Accurate temperature measurements should be done via thermocouples. Cheers!
--Christian