Stunning new turntable released by B&O, Beogram 3000. Very good looks in my opinion, probably nicest from B&O. Speakers completing the system are uselessly small not to offend wife. Priced for bezos and muskrat.
https://design-milk.com/bang-olufsens-beosystem-3000c-brings-back-a-vinyl-icon/
https://design-milk.com/bang-olufsens-beosystem-3000c-brings-back-a-vinyl-icon/
Ive had a couple of B+O turntables and it occured to me that they are awfully thin and chintzy for the price. The cost of a cartridge is nearly prohibitive and the cartridges are proprietary. You cant use them on another turntable unless its a B&O. For a DIYer maybe not a problem to overcome all of its shortcomings but i prefer to start with something a little more robust.
(My 2 current tables are a Fairchild 412 and an empire 208.)
The B&O offerings seem to be at the polar opposite of the scale in terms of physical robustness/mass/structure.
Educate me. What does the B&O design do that other disk spinners can't?
Does extremely low mass everything result in a better turntable in some measurable way?
Edit: for 30k
30k is the price.
Id hazard a guess that you could build a better turntable for that price and still have enough left over to buy a new hyundai.
(My 2 current tables are a Fairchild 412 and an empire 208.)
The B&O offerings seem to be at the polar opposite of the scale in terms of physical robustness/mass/structure.
Educate me. What does the B&O design do that other disk spinners can't?
Does extremely low mass everything result in a better turntable in some measurable way?
Edit: for 30k
30k is the price.
Id hazard a guess that you could build a better turntable for that price and still have enough left over to buy a new hyundai.
Explained "Head of Product Circularity & Portfolio Planning at Bang & Olufsen". You what? When a company creates a job title like that you can be sure it has lost its engineering focus.
Judging from the picture with piles of records next to it it's not really a product for true vinyl lover.
I had the chance to look inside the B&O TT once. All I remember was that the sub platter was surprisingly heavy and the bearing was superb. For some reason they decided to concentrate the rotating mass there and sacrificed the usual large flywheel effect of the edge of the platter. Contrary to the looks it was actually quite robust. Soud was very good, brief w/f measurement with phone app quite promising (I do not remember the numbers though).
I had the chance to look inside the B&O TT once. All I remember was that the sub platter was surprisingly heavy and the bearing was superb. For some reason they decided to concentrate the rotating mass there and sacrificed the usual large flywheel effect of the edge of the platter. Contrary to the looks it was actually quite robust. Soud was very good, brief w/f measurement with phone app quite promising (I do not remember the numbers though).
I only posted this for curiosity. Only because I like the look of it. I have no interest otherwise.
I have love and hate relationship with B&O. Had turntable once, sounded ok, but the arm was thin and flimsy, carts unavailable or prohibitively expensive, still i liked the look of it. Definitely estetically pleasing.
I have love and hate relationship with B&O. Had turntable once, sounded ok, but the arm was thin and flimsy, carts unavailable or prohibitively expensive, still i liked the look of it. Definitely estetically pleasing.
I´ve heard that a lot over the years........ mostly from people with no clue/haven´t heard.
B&O called their suspension/spring system on their turntables for "Party Safe"...... See if you can guess why.
If you ever heard a modern B&O turntable, equipped with MMC-1 or MMC-2 cartridge, through a decent riaa,
and I don´t mean B&O riaa´s, you might want to correct that quote above 😉
Very few cartridge manufacturers (if any) come close to the inginuity of the MMC-1.
Sapphire cantilever with laser drilled hole for the contact line stylus, with an effective tip mass of a quarter of a milligram.
Yes...... 0,25mg.Tracks absolutely everything with a VTF of 1 gram.
@ Boydk I recommend reading my post again before starting "no clue/haven't heard"... 🙂
I admire how that thing is built and how it sounds, I actually tried to defend the design and express what to me was the interesting aspect of it.
But I cannot resist to hate this very specific product, as it's overpriced and doesn't seem to add much to the original chassis. The marketing photo with records stocked on each other to the 1m+ height should scare every true vinyl lover, because they don't do this crime against vinyl. Along with the price tag and marketing style it's obvious at what kind of people this is aimed.
That sentence you quoted was for this specific, limited, overpriced marketing sacrilege only.
I admire how that thing is built and how it sounds, I actually tried to defend the design and express what to me was the interesting aspect of it.
But I cannot resist to hate this very specific product, as it's overpriced and doesn't seem to add much to the original chassis. The marketing photo with records stocked on each other to the 1m+ height should scare every true vinyl lover, because they don't do this crime against vinyl. Along with the price tag and marketing style it's obvious at what kind of people this is aimed.
That sentence you quoted was for this specific, limited, overpriced marketing sacrilege only.