I want to build a new LS...
The selected drivers are 1x Aurum Cantus, 1x PHL 3450 and 2x PHL 4530.
Does somebody know all ready a project with the both PHL drivers?
(Would be a good help 🙂 )
Any suggestions on the project?
Thanks
Vincent
The selected drivers are 1x Aurum Cantus, 1x PHL 3450 and 2x PHL 4530.
Does somebody know all ready a project with the both PHL drivers?
(Would be a good help 🙂 )
Any suggestions on the project?
Thanks
Vincent
Some ideas
Not the exact drivers, but similar:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11858&highlight=
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21523&highlight=
Might Andre at e-speakers or Orca, have a design?
My suggestions:
Cross the big Aurum Cantus to the PHL 3450 @ 1.8 - 2 kHz, depending on steepness of the XO slope, and how loud you want to play. Maybe LR4 at 1.8 kHz
(If it’s not to be mounted in a dipole) model the PHL 3450’s low end in Unibox, but likely cross the PHL 3450s to the 4530s @ between 150 – 300 Hz, say 250-300 Hz.
hope this helps
Cheers
Not the exact drivers, but similar:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11858&highlight=
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21523&highlight=
Might Andre at e-speakers or Orca, have a design?
My suggestions:
Cross the big Aurum Cantus to the PHL 3450 @ 1.8 - 2 kHz, depending on steepness of the XO slope, and how loud you want to play. Maybe LR4 at 1.8 kHz
(If it’s not to be mounted in a dipole) model the PHL 3450’s low end in Unibox, but likely cross the PHL 3450s to the 4530s @ between 150 – 300 Hz, say 250-300 Hz.
hope this helps
Cheers
Hi Vincent,
I've never seen a project posted for that combination of drivers but that's not to say there isn't one out there somewhere. Designs for PHL drivers are relatively thin on the ground compared to other driver manufacturers such as Scanspeak and Seas etc.
If you've got a bit of design software like speaker workshop and a basic measurement setup then you could design your own. All the members on here are a helpful bunch so post any data you have captured with the drivers mounted in their final cabinets and we'll try to give some suggestions.
Alternatively you might want to seek out places such as Madisound or Wilmslow Audio who'll design you a crossover for a small charge. It probably won't be as good as if you measured all your own drivers in cabinet because they tend to use generic data and don't have the benefit of tweaking out the sound through listening.
I've never seen a project posted for that combination of drivers but that's not to say there isn't one out there somewhere. Designs for PHL drivers are relatively thin on the ground compared to other driver manufacturers such as Scanspeak and Seas etc.
If you've got a bit of design software like speaker workshop and a basic measurement setup then you could design your own. All the members on here are a helpful bunch so post any data you have captured with the drivers mounted in their final cabinets and we'll try to give some suggestions.
Alternatively you might want to seek out places such as Madisound or Wilmslow Audio who'll design you a crossover for a small charge. It probably won't be as good as if you measured all your own drivers in cabinet because they tend to use generic data and don't have the benefit of tweaking out the sound through listening.
The LS will be designed by a well known profi here in Germany.
But an existing project would spin down the developing costs for me 😉
But an existing project would spin down the developing costs for me 😉
You'd have yourself quite a dynamic alignment with those aforementioned drivers (100dB+)! Although having never heard one myself or even dissected the crossover, I've read a few blogs that mention designs using 10" drivers up to 2khz, so for some it can work and produce pleasing results. With all that in mind, I'm curious about the designers solution to power response matching at the crossover point. A 10" should exhibit lobing artifacts, while a ribbon would be omnidirectional at the same crossover point...quite the conundrum if one wishes for a uniform reverberant field and power response.
I've used all those drivers. You are better off using one or two 5230 15's for the bass. Also the G1 is too compressed dynamically to keep up with the 3450/1 - I recommend a good compression driver rather than a ribbon.
Magnetar said:
Check out the RAAL 140-15d or better yet the up coming RAAL Proline ribbons if you don't fancy front loaded compression drivers.
Magnetar said:
The reply wasn't aimed at you but did use your text to help point out another option for the original poster.
BTW I wouldn't use a compression driver for the same over-generalised reasons. 😛
ShinOBIWAN said:
It wasn't a generalized reason, I used the best AC ribbon with the same mid and it was bad. What compression driver have you used with the 3450/1 PHL?
Magnetar said:
Ah you mentioned "I'm done with ribbons" which I mistook for the generalisation. Its clear to me now what you really meant was "I'm done with AC ribbons" in this case.
I haven't. I was just offering another ribbon option for Telya.
The G1 and the 3450 is fix! - No discussion...
And the bass...a 15" driver would be real nice -jep- but it is to big! 12" is almost hard at the WAF... 😉
And the bass...a 15" driver would be real nice -jep- but it is to big! 12" is almost hard at the WAF... 😉
Hello vincent ,
I'm putting together a 3 way using the PHL's ,I was after something not much bigger than the Cabasse farrela 400.
This kit was put together by http://www.warco.com.au/.
1x Raven R1 ,1x PHL 1120 6.5" & PHL 12" 4530 .
passive xover points 350hz and 3.5 K .
Would like to go active .
I'll be tri-amping with SET's
Cheers.
I'm putting together a 3 way using the PHL's ,I was after something not much bigger than the Cabasse farrela 400.
This kit was put together by http://www.warco.com.au/.
1x Raven R1 ,1x PHL 1120 6.5" & PHL 12" 4530 .
passive xover points 350hz and 3.5 K .
Would like to go active .
I'll be tri-amping with SET's
Cheers.
Ddd_rus said:
This product isn't released yet but from what I've heard it'll be a pro audio orientated driver with higher efficiency and more durability. That's the extent of my knowledge I'm afraid. The interesting thing is that it will be one of RAAL 'statement' products so I'd have high hopes for this considering the lowly 140-15d is already a great driver.
Your best off contacting Alex at RAAL and see if he has any extra information to give out at this time.
http://www.raalribbon.com/contact.htm
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