4 inch driver sounds better than $1000

ror

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2010-09-17 8:23 pm
PLEASE! do not take this as cheap shot against full range speakers, but some people are saying a 4 inch driver in the proper box sounds as good or better than a $1000 retail speaker. Does that mean I can build a low end B&W for less than $200? If so here we go!
 
Well, I have seen a retail $7000 speaker that uses the same woofer and tweeters I used in my DIYer. Is mine as good as theirs? Maybe, probably not quite, but they are damn good, made by me, so my personal bias matters and the drivers only cost me a couple of hundred bucks.
So, it isn't the driver cost, most speakers have components costing in the range of hundreds, yet the final product costs thousands. It is what you do with them.
 

bmwman91

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2009-05-03 1:12 am
USA
The $150 I spent on my first pair of 2-ways ($65 of which was maple veneer, two 4" drivers & 2 1" tweeters were $60 total) gave me speakers that blew the heck out of anything I had ever heard in any store (granted, I avoid boutique audio stores like the plague).

Can they compete with multi-thousand$ sets of high end stuff? Technically, they are likely inferior. However, they beat any $500 or less setup I have heard (excluding other DIY ones).

Just build some, you will see.
 

IG81

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2008-02-22 1:21 pm
PLEASE! do not take this as cheap shot against full range speakers, but some people are saying a 4 inch driver in the proper box sounds as good or better than a $1000 retail speaker. Does that mean I can build a low end B&W for less than $200? If so here we go!

One has to realise that speaker design and performance is always a matter of trade-offs and compromise. Multi-way and fullrange both have things they do much better than the other and their own sets of strenghts and weaknesses. Simply stating that one speaker sounds better than another requires a fixed definition of "better", which is not really possible as it's all very subjective and usually up to the individual's preferences.

That said, you are totally encouraged to try your hands at building a fullrange speaker. I suggest you read around quite a bit before doing anything and get a feeling of what would work best for you in terms of speaker size, type and the associated enclosure.

Good luck and remember, have fun!

IG
 

Crossblade

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2006-07-06 9:32 pm
Mainly it depends on box construction ,and what's your target .
I just finished a project with everything taken from the trash .I wasn't satisfied by the 4"
(4 ohm-8w typical low quality for plastic stereos...) so I added a 3.5" on the top in dipole
(same "class" as the other ) ,so now each is doing its duty ,simply first order crossed .
This is a true 0$ loudspeaker ...well ,hot glue has a minimum cost .
 

HornTube

Banned
2009-11-01 4:41 pm
My Tangband W4-655 in Cyburg sticks sounds much much much better than the most expansive B&W "loudspeaker". B&W speakers are smeared, muddy, slow, transient killers, lifeless without any space or 3D effect.
If you don't like fullrangers than go for Spendor, Harbeth or Rogers.
B&W? Oh please...
 
LOL about the B&W bashing! I have a pair at home that retailed for $999. The Pioneer B20 with piezo sounds better and cost less than $100 to build.

The full range driver thing sounds good bc of the purity of sound they offer. No crossover and less listening fatigue... tho some full rangers can be fatiguing if they are too bright. Unless that's important to you, the small full range driver may not satisfy. They don't do deep bass well unless in more complicated and usually large cabinets (but then you get your bass and the purity of sound). They don't always shimmer in the treble rather having soft sounding top octaves.

The B&W i have sounds muddy and dull. I think there was a time people thought that was accurate.
 

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Give it a go and enjoy the journey!

I have built some full range speakers using the Radio Shack 40-1354 driver in a Bob Brine designed cabinet (use them as my main HT speakers) and just recently a Pioneer B20 in a Radio Shack T-100 cabinet that I made some slight modifications to like ports and a piezo tweeter (use mainly as my audio listening speakers). The B20's get down to the high 30's for bass and when played at moderate listening levels with my HLLY Tripath amp do extremely well for me. I also have many decent vintage multi-driver speakers (Advent, Pioneer, Kenwood, AR, Insignia) that I listen to, but I always come back to the full rangers to listen to because I think they hit the right mix for me and my preferred music (jazz, vocals, classical guitar, 70's hits and some classical rock).

NOTE - one thing I have really noticed is that your amp will really affect how your full range will sound. I have discovered that D class amps (i.e. T amps included) and tube amps work really well with full range drivers. They seem to be more synergistic.
 
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IG81

Member
2008-02-22 1:21 pm
Give it a go and enjoy the journey!

I have built some full range speakers using the Radio Shack 40-1354 driver in a Bob Brine designed cabinet (use them as my main HT speakers) and just recently a Pioneer B20 in a Radio Shack T-100 cabinet that I made some slight modifications to like ports and a piezo tweeter (use mainly as my audio listening speakers). The B20's get down to the high 30's for bass and when played at moderate listening levels with my HLLY Tripath amp do extremely well for me. I also have many decent vintage multi-driver speakers (Advent, Pioneer, Kenwood, AR, Insignia) that I listen to, but I always come back to the full rangers to listen to because I think they hit the right mix for me and my preferred music (jazz, vocals, classical guitar, 70's hits and some classical rock).

NOTE - one thing I have really noticed is that your amp will really affect how your full range will sound. I have discovered that D class amps (i.e. T amps included) and tube amps work really well with full range drivers. They seem to be more synergistic.

Not the first time I hear of T-amps being a good match for fullrange. I have no experience and very little knowledge about them. What kind of output impedance are we talking aobut here?

IG
 
Give it a go and enjoy the journey!

NOTE - one thing I have really noticed is that your amp will really affect how your full range will sound. I have discovered that D class amps (i.e. T amps included) and tube amps work really well with full range drivers. They seem to be more synergistic.

Also note that your room and how you treat it, physically or digitally. For example, my BIB with Fostex 208 sigmas are huge and are full of great bass, but my big open and irregular room sucks out all of it. Still sounds great, just not the impact I would have in a smaller room. In this room I probably need a more direct bass source like a dedicated sub.
 

HornTube

Banned
2009-11-01 4:41 pm
@Godzilla:
Only German speakers like Canton are worse than B&W. Canton = the most rhythm killing speakers of all time. Canton = no mids, muddy & too much bass, disgusting & too much highs. You can play what you want everything sounds like a German wehrmacht marching band:bomb: