Hi all,
I need a 150Vpp output @ 75-80Khz frequency for a project. I need only 15-20W power at the load. Do you think an IC amp can handle that requirements with a transformer on output?
Thanks in advance..
I need a 150Vpp output @ 75-80Khz frequency for a project. I need only 15-20W power at the load. Do you think an IC amp can handle that requirements with a transformer on output?
Thanks in advance..
You firstly need to check datasheets, to see if the chip amps will go that high without roll off.
I already checked LM1875, 1876 and 3886 datasheets; with LM1876 and 3886 there is no problem that they have a bit under 100Khz but LM1876 they only say 70Khz power bandwidth..
But at this point i have a transformer calculation problem.
- First, i dont know detailed trafo calculations,
- Second, the trafo has to be 80Khz tuned
- Third, primary coil must have 8 ohm exact inductive load at 80Khz.
- Fourth, this trafo must handle at least 20W power.
And naturally i cannot calculate a working trafo that can realise that needs!
I know that, here is not place for trafo calculations but may anybody calculate that trafo for me?
Thanks a lot.
But at this point i have a transformer calculation problem.
- First, i dont know detailed trafo calculations,
- Second, the trafo has to be 80Khz tuned
- Third, primary coil must have 8 ohm exact inductive load at 80Khz.
- Fourth, this trafo must handle at least 20W power.
And naturally i cannot calculate a working trafo that can realise that needs!
I know that, here is not place for trafo calculations but may anybody calculate that trafo for me?
Thanks a lot.
In the following website, you can see a large amount of the power op amp product and the technical documents about the pzt driver using their products.
http://www.apexmicrotech.com
In my experience, their product works well on the pzt actuators.
http://www.apexmicrotech.com
In my experience, their product works well on the pzt actuators.
Yea, i know that products and for final project i will use a PA84 or PB51. But first i cannot buy one of them because they dont sell at small quantities. And i need a quick solution, however i cannot have that chips less than one month even i can purchase samples..
150v p-p is like +-75 volts right? couldn't you just bridge 2 chips which doubles the voltage swing. the maximum PS of lm3886 is 84 volts . bridged that would give equivalent to +-80v or so
is this for a sonar transducer?
I did a similar project before but since it needed only square waves, I used IRF540 fets and IR2112 driver to put 80Vp-p @ 200kHz into the transducer.
I did a similar project before but since it needed only square waves, I used IRF540 fets and IR2112 driver to put 80Vp-p @ 200kHz into the transducer.
No. Its for piezo ceramic motor driver. And i will use a signal generator to change frequency. So the amp must have 70-80Khz bandwidth at least.
My piezo pads have 65pF capacitance. At this frequency (75Khz) it looks like short circuit from the amp output.. Do you think LM3886s can handle this?
So if i use two LM3886 bridge and feed with +/-38v i can have 38x4=152v swing teorically. Is it? But i guess there is another problem that;2 chips which doubles the voltage swing.
My piezo pads have 65pF capacitance. At this frequency (75Khz) it looks like short circuit from the amp output.. Do you think LM3886s can handle this?
"........At this frequency (75Khz) it looks like short circuit ...."
How ? The reactance for 65pF at 75Khz is over 30 K ohms ! What am I missing ?
Your voltage swing with bridged mode is twice ( x 2 ) and not x 4.
It's power delivered which is x 4 ( voltage squared ).
How ? The reactance for 65pF at 75Khz is over 30 K ohms ! What am I missing ?
Your voltage swing with bridged mode is twice ( x 2 ) and not x 4.
It's power delivered which is x 4 ( voltage squared ).
By the way.. If an IC amp like LM3886 has 100Khz (yes it has) bandwidth and i connect a pair of LM as BTL, will that capacitive load makes any problem?
I guess am mistaken again.. In bridge mode, if one of amp pull the output until Vcc (38v) and the other side push until Vee then that equals 38+38=76v not 154... Who gave that idea?
Anyway, does anybody know any solution for that?
Anyway, does anybody know any solution for that?
".... equals 38+38=76v not 154... Who gave that idea?
...." .................You indicated that in your earlier post 🙂
Do you require a sine wave signal ? If you could manage with a square wave , things might get much simpler .
At 100Khz maybe you could use a ferrite core transformer ??
...." .................You indicated that in your earlier post 🙂
Do you require a sine wave signal ? If you could manage with a square wave , things might get much simpler .
At 100Khz maybe you could use a ferrite core transformer ??

I will use a sinewave generator to drive it. I agree with you, i should use a ferrit core but HOW CAN I CALCULATE?
Sorry I can't look up everything for this design.
I do not have the time.
Check out Google
http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=ferrite+core+calculations+for+100khz+operation&meta=
and this
http://www.ee.latrobe.edu.au/~djc/UltraSonics/Ultrasonics.htm
http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=80khz+piezo+driver+design&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
seems to have lots of links.
I do not have the time.
Check out Google
http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=ferrite+core+calculations+for+100khz+operation&meta=
and this
http://www.ee.latrobe.edu.au/~djc/UltraSonics/Ultrasonics.htm
http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=80khz+piezo+driver+design&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
seems to have lots of links.
Here is another one .
http://www.lab-systems.com/products/amplifier/a303.html
Gives you an idea of what they are using in the market !
Looks like you can rig up a simple class B amp with MOSFET's in bridged mode. Should be simple and no need for transformers which can be a big pain in itself.
You want 150V pp. So each bridge should give 75 vpp.
With split supplies you need AT LEAST +/- 45 volts supplies. More to take into account supply drop on load and transistor losses.
Looks like 0.5 % distortion is OK. So a class B or 'almost on' biased transistors might be OK . I think !
Comments anyone ?
http://www.lab-systems.com/products/amplifier/a303.html
Gives you an idea of what they are using in the market !
Looks like you can rig up a simple class B amp with MOSFET's in bridged mode. Should be simple and no need for transformers which can be a big pain in itself.
You want 150V pp. So each bridge should give 75 vpp.
With split supplies you need AT LEAST +/- 45 volts supplies. More to take into account supply drop on load and transistor losses.
Looks like 0.5 % distortion is OK. So a class B or 'almost on' biased transistors might be OK . I think !
Comments anyone ?
1.) Do you need to be able to vary the output voltage ?
2.) Do you want a bandwidth form 70 kHz to 80 kHz or do you need from DC up to this frequency range?
If the voltage can be fixed AND the output signal is narrow-band (i.e. 70 to 80 kHz) then you could as well use a class-C output stage and the voltage-transformation can be done purely by the use of caps and inductors.
Regards
Charles
2.) Do you want a bandwidth form 70 kHz to 80 kHz or do you need from DC up to this frequency range?
If the voltage can be fixed AND the output signal is narrow-band (i.e. 70 to 80 kHz) then you could as well use a class-C output stage and the voltage-transformation can be done purely by the use of caps and inductors.
Regards
Charles
- I need an adjustable output voltage, but if i adjust the input then the output will change on same ratio!
- I guess 70Khz to 80Khz bandwidth will be enough!
I must confess that i have never designed a Class C amp (or any class) So i dont think i can design an amp for this project..
- I guess 70Khz to 80Khz bandwidth will be enough!
I must confess that i have never designed a Class C amp (or any class) So i dont think i can design an amp for this project..
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