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Old 28th December 2014, 12:09 AM   #691
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We won't know much until the manual gets published. It's my understanding that all the components are SMD, and will come installed on the board. There may be headers to be attached for different functions.
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Old 28th December 2014, 06:22 AM   #692
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They appear as pretty standard OSCON SMT caps, but you never know... I tried to replace some on Crown XLS drivecore amplifiers, they don't exist in that size.
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Old 28th December 2014, 12:14 PM   #693
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I have music playing and it sounds great, very clear, no strange side effects or noise, in fact NO noise at all into my HD-650's.... But I might be biased :-).
Søren,
did you feed your HD-650's straight out of the onboard outputs (using the digital volume control) or did you go through an amp?
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Old 28th December 2014, 01:12 PM   #694
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As I said: "The webshops are preparing to take orders." So expect the US webshop to come up too....
Shipping to Sweden was ~46EUR which is also very expensive - will there be any other shipping options or other webshops in EU?
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Old 28th December 2014, 01:54 PM   #695
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Yes shipping was a bit on the expensive site The same to Norway.
Anyway - looking forward to test this module.
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Old 28th December 2014, 02:08 PM   #696
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I thought DAC's were a perfected technology....
Would there still be development if DAC technology was already perfected?

Besides, if the technology was perfected, all DACs would sound the same. FMW's claim of there being no difference between $100,- DACs and $5000,- DACs is nonsense...

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Old 28th December 2014, 03:24 PM   #697
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did you feed your HD-650's straight out of the onboard outputs (using the digital volume control) or did you go through an amp?

The basis R-2R network has an output voltage of 1.4V RMS and output impedance of 625 ohm and can therefore drive a lot of things directly. There is also onboard balanced output drivers that can drive high impedance (>= 300 ohm) headphones directly.
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Old 28th December 2014, 04:30 PM   #698
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Can someone tell me how good this DAC sounds? I just don't understand, I thought DAC's were a perfected technology....

I can see myself with a couple if they prove to be more than high specs.

Will higher quality Nichicon OSCONS fit?
Why higher quality ? Do you really believe than the Panasonic SEPC will give a better quality ! Not necessairly ! SEPC can give sometimes a dry sterile sound when used as PS powercap on a DAC...

I would have prefered vias to have the possibility to swap the smd can caps and here before launching the GB I would had benchmarked the caps with :

the lesser quality OSCON SEP instead the SEPC tou seem to refer. When not 16 V cap I would have tested Nichicon PLE (6.5 V max) and everywhere the well balanced UnitedChemiCon PSA serie. But after all maybe the CL serie choosed are good as well (I mean not only by spec but also with the subjective SQ listen to controll ?!)

That's the problem when you just look at the scope, sometimes on the paper a less good solution can be more musical. This is Force & Sense ; at the end of Star War Luck put off the glasses and shot the targett with the Force without the datas on him glasses screen: it makes sense no ?

So your risk and your money as Esgigt said cleverly (wisely?). You can be sure the scopes results are perfect as Soren seems to be a good enginer and not a new bird of the year: all its process management is impressive from the white copy to the suppliers management but it can not give you a certitude but this one : the DAC sould be very clear (transparent resolution) with a certain softness non fatiguing (we hope) due to the jitter proof design and ladder design. But it will never give you any proof about the sound quality as mainly the result of a good dac is the tonal balance like any device. I

But hey : it can be EQ from inside, no ? So I will take the risk to buy it : it is an important amount for me while staying cheap for such designs. My only regret is no vias for the few caps and maybe on some rare places : no PPS or acrylic smt caps instead X7R in spite of a greater foot print. But who am I'm,not a technician after all ! And here all the mounting surface process are also here to lower the cost and make it in semi-industrial quantity as well !

Bravo Soren, take your time, controll the quality, take more time to listen to it without the sheinezer headphones, the dac will arrive to us when it will arrive .Thank you to share your design, I hope it will permitt you ti have founds with bankeers to launch your brand for audio with this product if its your final goal. Which is good.

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Old 28th December 2014, 05:00 PM   #699
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I was thinking Nichicon FP.
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I don't like this serie, but have to try the RN range in it (do you mean all the "red" FP caps ?) which CL Soekris choosed seems near in the ESR datas !

I found ESR is never a promess of good sound.

For me the FP caps have always a too soft sound with a lacke of bass : subjective of course : must be tested in each design : its not universal, caps have not sound on their own. But two caps with the same ESR and ESL can sound different from a manufacturor to an other. I find like some others polymer UCC PSA serie give good subjective result everywhere still sometimes can be beaten in some particular situation by other reference like older one (Old semi organic OSCON-SP, Nichicon PLE, new Panasonic SEP, sometimes SEPC/F, etc... have tried a lot if not all but just on the Subbu V3... and of course there is some biased as the controll listening is not ABX (but my family) and only on my system of course).
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