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Old 5th October 2012, 11:30 AM   #51
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Here is a test you may have not seen before. Without a better word for it i called it Gerhard Test. This is the distortion residuum with the multi tones notched out and transferred into the time domain by doing a back FFT.
You see that the residuum is at about plus-minus 2uPascal, a low value.
I have also recorded a WAV file where you can listen to this residuum.
I am not able to upload that here so if anybody has an idea how i can share it you are welcome.
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Old 5th October 2012, 11:40 AM   #52
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Old 5th October 2012, 12:03 PM   #53
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From the multi tone and harmonic distortion measurements i concluded that the tweeter
should not be crossed over deeper then 1.8kHz with aprox. 12dB/oct.
The notch at 45 is prove that this tweeter does not break up in the audible range like normal soft domes do. The membrane is fixed in the middle so breakup is shifted up around one octave. The tweeter now behaves more or less like a rigid plane in the audible range so the notch happens because of geometric reasons. I have seen simulations from Technics and Phillips in the old days when they made honeycomb tweeters with a flat membrane that had exactly this behavior so it is not a design flaw "per se " but a consequence of the physics. A normal 29mm soft dome has from ca. 8kHz a break up so that the outer voice coil moves outward with a positive signal and the middle of the membrane moves inwards. That makes the off axis response somewhat smoother but also creates distortion. Also the ring membrane of the Satori Tweeter is more extended in the super treble because it does not suffer on axis so much from the anti phase movement of the inner part of the membrane.
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Old 5th October 2012, 12:14 PM   #54
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The on axis response of the Satori rises a bit in the range over 10kHz.
This is a slight diffuse field equalization that compensates partly the dropping response over 10kHz off axis. This will not sound shy in overtones but i find the power response that results from this very well judged. There is a slight energy drop centered around 7kHz so this tweeter will sound fast and extended but not sharp. That little dip can be equalized out by the crossover of cause. The tweeter is loud enough to pad it down a bit so the sound can ultimatively only being judges when the complete speaker is build and the crossover fine tuned by measurement and ear. I think that i will optimize the response of the monitor for 10 off axis where the tweeter is most flat.
In total i am very happy with this measurement concourse. This is a smooth, extended and low distortion tweeter with good sensitivity around 92-93dB.
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Old 5th October 2012, 12:17 PM   #55
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the tweeter membrane behaves like a surround, it rolls, and the suckout is due to the summation of the changing amplitude over the membrane. It's not like a piston, but clearly better as there's no antiphase. how does the curve look without the smoothing you have applied.??

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Old 5th October 2012, 12:20 PM   #56
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Yes, i said "more or less" and "not so much". Sure it is not a rigid piston but not a conventional soft dome ether.
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Old 5th October 2012, 12:24 PM   #57
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Here is a new paper :http://www.extra.research.philips.co...s/aar11pu5.pdf
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Old 5th October 2012, 12:28 PM   #58
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Here is another study :http://www.ase.uc.edu/~pnagy/ClassNo...E/Part%206.pdf
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Old 5th October 2012, 12:28 PM   #59
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No it's a textile surround playing... different from both a dome and a cone...
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Old 5th October 2012, 12:56 PM   #60
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Here is a picture of a 25mm round, rigid piston. Unfortunately it is not measured at 45 where the notch will be shifted down in frequency even more. The notch in the Satori is somewhat deeper in frequency so it is not perfect rigid. I could not find a simulation of a ring radiator so far.
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