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Old 15th December 2011, 04:21 PM   #841
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Not just your opinion, even Bruno himself stated here that the core business of Hypex is the OEM market.
Apparently that market asks for high power amplifiers, which we DIY'ers don't need actually for our home speakers.
A lower power, and therefore maybe somewhat cheaper, amp module would be very attractive, but maybe we must be glad that at least something of this technology is available for DIY.
I agree.
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Old 15th December 2011, 04:27 PM   #842
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Default As Bruno has mentioned...

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I agree.

Many times. There would be no real advantage to offering a lower power module than the nCore 400, the price would be virtually the same, and the nCore 400 performs very, very well at low power outputs.
Of course, for low power usage, one can save money by using a lower power supply.
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Old 15th December 2011, 04:29 PM   #843
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Thank you, Rob. Would you say the Ncore has a tendency to sound dry/clinical?
I read dry and clinical as not musical.
Then my answer is no not at all.
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tinitus hey, Rob
fore how long have you had your amps with ncore modules ?
We listened aboud 3 hours.

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Old 15th December 2011, 04:36 PM   #844
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Probably. But not a 2x400W one.
and not even a 2 x 100W one - just think of the cost of the heatsinks

Of course this isn't DIY in the more traditional sense - assembling from discrete components. It's a set of fully assembled tested and warranted modules. But it still allows for the DIY saving of integration and packaging.

But it's up to every constructor/purchaser to make their individual choices of price/perfomance. An observation that it's not right for you (other commentators, not you Julf) doesn't make a wrong choice for others

I can't imagine that a lower powered device would have been that much cheaper - everything would nominally be the same apart from output devices. So at best that would probably bring the price down to something like ucd400hxr level. And if we believe that the power supply also affects the sound quality, then there's no saving to be made there - or utilise the SMPS400A400 and save 2 x 60 euros

And the Ncore400 performs better at lower powers than a lower power module would (if I remember Bruno's posts correctly)

If you want a different price/performance compromise then you can:
- do it yourself from scratch(!)
- buy the revised Ucd 180 once it's released

Hypex could have made the decision not to produce the ncore400 module at all,
and not to give it a statement front end design
...and then someone else would have complained about that
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Old 15th December 2011, 05:16 PM   #845
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exactly, I'll wait for the revised UCD180.
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Old 15th December 2011, 05:24 PM   #846
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We listened aboud 3 hours.

Rob
Im not questioning your expertice, not at all
but 3 hours sounds a bit short, and a bit stressed
I often say to friends who are fast with to form an opinion that they should try and live with it fore a longer period, and then tell me what they think about it

could go both ways, but almost always different
I dont rate short term evaluation very highly

since you seem to have OEM modules, is there any risk you could feel 'obligated' or 'biased' ?
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Old 15th December 2011, 05:46 PM   #847
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Im not questioning your expertice, not at all
but 3 hours sounds a bit short, and a bit stressed
I often say to friends who are fast with to form an opinion that they should try and live with it fore a longer period, and then tell me what they think about it

could go both ways, but almost always different
I dont rate short term evaluation very highly
Time will tell how Ncore performs amongst other amplifier topologies; just a matter of interpreting all those subjective reviews that will show up, and eventually making your own decision.
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Old 15th December 2011, 05:51 PM   #848
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it is a good thing that the reviewer mentioned his setup and the references (the Pass clone and the UCD). I'm sick of those "useful" reviews where the reviewer just says "sounds great!" just to find that his reference is a $50 boombox, while mine costs $8000. unfortunately it happens a lot.
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Old 15th December 2011, 06:00 PM   #849
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from Rob's describtion, I might have liked the PASS clone

I would say its quite good if a 'small' classD module can keep up with a perfect working SS amp, and surpricing

scares me a bit
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I might have liked the PASS clone

I would say its quite good if a 'small' classD module can keep up with a perfect working SS amp, and surpricing
I can't find any reason to find that surprising.
FYI mastering engineer Bob Katz gave up his Pass amp (commercial, not DIY) in favor of class D Lipinski amps. and if he doesn't know better, I have no idea who does
here's a pic of his mastering system with Lipinski speakers and the old Pass Amps (looks like XA160?).
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