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Old 8th August 2007, 02:57 PM   #541
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Also even with the modules pre-stuffed there is still a lot to DIY.
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Old 8th August 2007, 03:25 PM   #542
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We no longer offer it as a kit. The reason is that we were pre-mounting the SMD parts (TSOP, very very small), but could not test them unless the rest of the board was built up.

It makes sense to me for you guys to do what you're doing with the Opus, and I certainly don't think people lose "cred" by going that way, but I'm increasingly getting the uneasy feeling that your fledgling business doesn't belong in the DIY category anymore - at least - not for the Opus. Maybe it's just me? I don't know how others feel about it. I think you could easily alleviate my concerns (and maybe others) by maintaining a stock of bare boards for people to put together.

Of course, Russ knows I sell bare boards, but that's it. I certainly don't think I'm being hypocritical here.
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We always make bare boards available.
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Old 8th August 2007, 03:29 PM   #544
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Also what you have to remember about DIY, is there are different levels of what people are willing (or able in this case) to do themselves. Example, many simply are not able to deal with the tiny SMD stuff. Also we need to be sure the thing works, so partial mounting just was not viable, as there was not good way to test with just the chips mounted. I think its pretty easy to see why we did what we did. Its still very much DIY, its just not as nitty gritty.

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Old 8th August 2007, 03:42 PM   #545
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We always make bare boards available.

Well, that's a relief. You don't mention that on the website, however.
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Well, that's a relief. You don't mention that on the website, however.

Thats because nobody has ever wanted one. Its simply not worth the bother. But all they have to do is ask. We are after all very much a user driven service.

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Thats because nobody has ever wanted one. Its simply not worth the bother. But all they have to do is ask. We are after all very much a user driven service.

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"Not worth the bother" - ummm...what's the name of this forum, again? I'd venture most of the folks here (and the ones no longer here) would argue with you on that one.

Look at a guy like peufeu and his FPGA project - that's an example of the kind of thing this hobby is all about. Worth the bother? Yes.
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"Not worth the bother" - ummm...what's the name of this forum, again? I'd venture most of the folks here would argue with you on that one.
I am glad you like soldering TSOP, if you like I will reserve a bare board for you.

If that makes the project more fulfilling for you (or anyone else) then that is fantastic.

We aim to please.

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Look at a guy like peufeu and his FPGA project - that's an example of the kind of thing this hobby is all about. Worth the bother? Yes.
Oh sure, you and I may love to do things like that, but surely you must notice not everyone does... the people who can't or won't do SMT may still want to build the DAC, and that is still DIY.

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Relax guys, it's only hi-fi.
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