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Old 2nd November 2009, 04:06 PM   #71
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I am running a placid BP, powering my Counterpoint boards (I am using B24).

Quite an upgrade over LCBPS

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Old 22nd November 2009, 04:09 PM   #72
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Raising another thought. A shunt doesn't like to drive capacitive loads, right ?

What about the 6 * 220uF on the IVY 2.0 ? Is it wise to remove these to make the shunt operate freely ?
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Old 22nd November 2009, 04:14 PM   #73
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The placid will work fine into any practical capacitance as long as there is some ESL.

Still you could quite safely remove those caps.

I personally sometimes do remove large decoupling caps when using shunt regulators. This minimizes the possibility of having little parasitic tank ccts.

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Old 22nd November 2009, 04:25 PM   #74
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Thanks for a quick answer Russ.
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Old 30th November 2009, 05:23 PM   #75
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[QUOTE=Russ White;1989370]The placid will work fine into any practical capacitance as long as there is some ESL.

Is ESL the same as esr?

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Old 30th November 2009, 05:56 PM   #76
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ESL = Equivalent Series Inductance

ESR = Equivalent Series Resistance
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Old 5th January 2010, 07:07 PM   #77
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TPA Guys!

Do you feel that the rails track enough for this to be used with a DC coupled amplifier, that doesn't have any sort of on board regulators (perhaps some of your designs meet this criteria?)

I've done a bit of testing, but haven't formed a solid opinion myself.

Here's one test run zoomed in across both rails (it's configured as a +-12VDC supply)

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Here is some data over 5 hours of warm-up on a single rail:

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Unfortunately, waiting two hours for the DC offset to stabilize is not practical, so the question is how well do things thermally track during warm-up.

So far it seems okay. Upon turning on the power supply, I see 0.055VDC difference in the rails. So, assuming this offset would be trimmed via the amplifier, we'll call this value 0. After 1 min. this was 0.046. After another min, this was 0.052. After 5 more minutes, 0.060. After 5 more minutes, 0.064. After 10 more minutes, 0.061. After a final 10 minutes, 0.061. So, during this time there was a +-9mV variance from the initial value.

The next plan is to build a simple circuit to do this math for me, so I can monitor it over a longer period of time.

Anyways, I do wish this was tighter, given the use in a DC coupled amplifier, so my question is, is there any suggestions on how this variance could be nullified somewhat? Any further tests that I could help you with?

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A small change in the rails over a long peroid of time should not effect a well designed amplifier, DC coupled or not.

The drift you are observing is a function of the tempco of the LED.

You could use a voltage reference with less tempco, but you would likely then have more noise. You could easily put just about any series VREF in there. Even a Zener if you please.

None of our amps would be adversely effected by the slight drift at all.

I would just use the LED VREF unless you have good reason not to.

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Old 5th January 2010, 07:30 PM   #79
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A small change in the rails over a long peroid of time should not effect a well designed amplifier, DC coupled or not.
I wouldn't call 300mV over 2 hours small (per the second graph) in the context I've presented. Also, I'm not sure what you mean by a well designed DC coupled amplifier? Let's assume a servo isn't used. If it uses a bipolar PSU and the rails drift apart by 10mV, this will show up as a DC offset. edit: I'm obviously more concerned about the rails drifting at different rates, then any absolute change over time.

Just trying to help!

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You would have to show me your amplifier circuit for me to understand. I have never used an amplifier (DC coupled or not) that would show any appreciable offset change with a 300mv rail difference.

In any case you have the solution. Use a VREF with very low tempco drift.

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