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Old 3rd January 2007, 09:46 AM   #1
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Default ADVICE on Valvestate crunch, but all tube instead.

I'm trying to get that power-amp crunch like a "Marshall Valvestate VS102R" but with an all tube amp or preamp or something, any recommendations?

Firstly, I don't have alot of money or enough that my wife will allow me to spend. She says I've spent quite enough $$$$$$$$

Secondly, I own:
Peavey Butcher (1985) 120W head
It's not to clear/sharp, the upper midrange is never scooped, even when I pull it down all the way. I want to eliminate 700Hz-1KHz badly. I looked on the schematic and near the tone pots, the capacitors are both .022 (treble/mid) and thwat cap resonates about around 800Hz, I'd figure it's supposedly supposed to scoop it when you pull it down. I've tried every tone setting possible and even JJ tubes etc.

PIGNOSE G40V (poser amp?) all tube combo
It sounds like a smaller Peavey Musician according to the readout on my spectrum analyser when mic'd no matter what speaker or mic or anything. I've even used a mod online to get this amp to sound cleaner and still it's nasty, not a crunchy tone.

TUBEWORKS RealTube RT-922 (two tube) preamp
Nice! I like it, I can get that "Megadeth Countdown To Extinction('92)" tone shape perfectly, but it's still not what I'm after. It's noisy when used with any tube amp. I've tried countless settings logged on paper of drive for this preamp, tube amp's preamp drive, and tube amp's power amp drive. I still can't get a tone worth using. This has come the closest though!


Specifically, I'm after a sort of grungy punkish classic vintage crunch. I could list songs by the MisFiTs('81), Pixies('88), and so on. I need something that makes the treble more "HAIRY" sounding, as if the harmonics are oversaturated to a point of prefered dry dissonance! And I need the clip to be crunchy to a thick studder. Any suggestions?

MYTH, I've driven my power amp tubes to the point of power amp crunch on my Peavey Butcher and some other amps I borrowed, then I compared a couple power chords I recorded, and I think it's not too different or any different at all from just preamp distortion from my TUBEWORKS preamp. I tried hard to find and search this pickiness and couldn't get any real difference other than EQ shape, rather than the envelop phasing characteristics. Sorry if my terms are out.

Lastly, I just want a good distortion is all I'm really asking for, and I hope it sounds just like the MARSHALL VALVESTATE one, but portable enough to take to any amp, any house, any gig, and get close results each time.

Thanks for your time!
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Old 4th January 2007, 12:38 AM   #2
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Sorry, I didn't see a "hybrid" section, so I wasn't sure where to post this thread at. I'm dying for a response. Anything at all guys and gals PLEASE!

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Old 4th January 2007, 05:06 AM   #3
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Pardon me for asking, but why not just buy a VALVESTATE amp from Marshall? IIRC, those amps are hybrid amps with solid state output. I believe they used some sort of proprietary circuitry (Frequency Dependant Damping or something) to simulate the tube sound.
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Your best inexpensive choice might be to modify the Pignose
http://www.clarkhuckaby.com/AmpMods/Pignose.html

Getting a specific tone from a tube amp can be challenging, since everything has an effect - tubes, speaker, amp, and the specific components (mods).
Add distortion pedals to that and you've got a lot to choose from!

Here's an interview about Pixie's gear (Marshall Amps)
http://www.vguitar.com/artists/details.asp?ID=244

My limited experience is that there's something about how the EL84's distorts when turned up. It's different than a Fender, especially with the highs.

You might consider a Marshall 18 Watt.
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Pardon me for asking, but why not just buy a VALVESTATE amp from Marshall? IIRC, those amps are hybrid amps with solid state output. I believe they used some sort of proprietary circuitry (Frequency Dependant Damping or something) to simulate the tube sound.
Not a problem at all on my hand, ask away, but I warn you, you asked for it!

I like the Valvestate, but I don't trust the reliability of integrated circuit chips. Sure they can make them real durable, but say some disaster strikes, and I mean a severe war outbreak kind of proportion... and music is still in demand however, I'd hate to invest on "my sound" and then suddenly have to 'change it' if those chips are hard to replace, in the sense if they are hard to find and/or discontinued.

Of course, this is a worst case scenerio to say the least, but I don't wish to get so 'attached' to a tone that just "gets ya by" but rather than I'm more into tubes all the way. I'm sort of a purist!

I just want to get past a myth that the power tubes have to be driven so hard to get that sound. If Valvestate can do it all off of one tube, then whatever I'm doing wrong, and I'm all tube, wow! I mean, at least in a preamp sense, I hope that I can somehow achieve a dry treble crunch off of stacked gains but I already tried adding my TUBEWORKS O.D. to my TUBEWORKS RT922 preamp.

Thanks for the tip on the Marshall proprietary FDD!








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Your best inexpensive choice might be to modify the Pignose
http://www.clarkhuckaby.com/AmpMods/Pignose.html

Getting a specific tone from a tube amp can be challenging, since everything has an effect - tubes, speaker, amp, and the specific components (mods).
Add distortion pedals to that and you've got a lot to choose from!

Here's an interview about Pixie's gear (Marshall Amps)
http://www.vguitar.com/artists/details.asp?ID=244

My limited experience is that there's something about how the EL84's distorts when turned up. It's different than a Fender, especially with the highs.

You might consider a Marshall 18 Watt.
Maybe I would like to use an 18 Watter as a preamp after DI'ing into a louder amp. Thanks for the Pixies' interview, that's the first time I ever read that. And thanks for that mod page on the Pignose, I've been looking for that page for about a year after I found it! I haven't tried that mod yet.

Yeah I'm into the solid state clip, or the odd harmonics. I do own a couple different speakers and I'm sticking to the Celestion G12T75 to get the closest to this sound I'm after!
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