Go Back   Home > Forums > Amplifiers > Tubes / Valves
Home Forums Rules Articles Store Gallery Blogs Register Donations FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Tubes / Valves All about our sweet vacuum tubes :) Threads about Musical Instrument Amps of all kinds should be in the Instruments & Amps forum

diyAudio Sponsor

Search for a tube at thetubestore.com                            Product reviews and more

Audio tubes for any amplifier: from high end home audio to classic guitar amps.

Quick links by tube type: 12AX7, EL34, 6L6, KT66, 6550, KT88, EL84, 12AU7, 12AT7, 6922, 6H30, 300B, 6V6, 6SN7 

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 9th December 2006, 05:46 PM   #11
diyAudio Member
 
tubelab.com's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: South Florida
I looked in the RCA RC-30 tube manual, and my guess was right the 6CU5 is the same as a 50C5. The RC-30 is available at Antique Electronics Supply.

I would not think of running any tube at the extremes that I ran some of those 6AQ5's, but they weren't much good for anything else. As with any tube, pushing them harder than spec shortens their life. In this case the power was dropping off and the distortion was rising after a short time, maybe 1/2 hour. The extreme operating temperature causes out gassing from everything in the tube destroying the vacuum. A tube operating like this will usually suffer a catastrophic failure long before melting. The fact that I was able to melt two of them (both GE 6005's) says that they were well made tubes with good vacuum and clean materials.

If you decide to push any tubes, examine them carefully in a dark room. Check the plates for red spots on all sides, and examine the screen grid wires. Glowing grid wires will kill a tube quickly, often with bad results. Even if things are not glowing, the lifetime of the tubes may be shortened. It is also a good idea to put a fuse in the cathode connection to deal with catastrophic tube failures. Don't push tubes too hard in an amp that you have to rely on. Flaming amplifiers may get a lot of applause at a gig, but will generally ruin your day.

I have been running a pair of Shuguang 6L6GC's just into the pale red glow zone on and off for over a year. They are just beginning to show the effects of this abuse. This is an unusual case especially since these are $5 tubes.

Quote:
That being said, I read somewhere that amps sound better on lower plate voltages and higher currents, instead of upping the plate voltage.. Am I missing something here?
I am of the other opinion. I like higher voltages and lower currents, myself. It is a matter of personal taste. If you are using the Hammond 125 series transformers, you have the option of intentionally mis matching the speaker impedance to gain sound flexibility. WARNING, operating a tube at high plate supply voltage, and a high load impedance, can result in a tube or socket arc. This can blow up a lot of things! Don't try a 16 ohm load on the 4 ohm tap near the max voltage spec for any tube.
__________________
Too much power is almost enough! Turn it up till it explodes - then back up just a little.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10th December 2006, 01:58 AM   #12
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: USA
Send a message via AIM to ThSpeakerDude88
The reason I chose the 125DSE was flexibility, and if I ever scrapped the beautiful amp I built .. ( unlikley!) I'd be able to use it in something else. The schematic it comes with lists the differeent primary to secondary ratios, but it only shows them with one common lead on the secondary, the black one. I wonder, is the resistance different between each different lead, say putting a speaker between the 8 ohm tap and the 32 ohm tap to get a different primary impeadance? Or are they all just multiples of 4/8/16?

Anyway.. I have JJs in my amp so their not valuable NOS or anything I'd be afraid the blow up. I have thought about fusing the cathode and that seems like a really good idea if I wanted to run the tube hot. I'm not sure what the JJ's can handle , their russian made arent they? I've heard that the russian made ones don't do well when you push them to their limits. As far as pushing them, I dont mean really hard, just at their maximum limits and maybe a tad more plate dissipation if it can. I did notice that in the tubes there is a very faint blue glow coming from inside the plate, but it is not very noticable unless you are really looking hard. Does screen dissipation increase as plate dissipation does, or not since it is seperatly controlled? IE, if I raise the plate voltage and lower the cathode resistor, and raise the grid resistor to compensate won't that protect the grid?
__________________
always preach the gospel-
and when necessary use words.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10th December 2006, 02:45 PM   #13
kevinkr is online now kevinkr  United States
diyAudio Moderator
 
kevinkr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Boston, Massachusetts
Blog Entries: 6
JJ tubes are made in the Slovak Republic. (Formerly part of Czechoslvakia) Not Russian at all.

6P14P are Russian made variants of the 6BQ5 and purportedly are quite rugged. (Similar to the 7189) I'll let you know when I get mine and plug them into my notoriously hot running Realistic Stereodyne 40 which is a 6BQ5 killer.
__________________
www.kta-hifi.net
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Hide this!Advertise here!

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Ground wire adds hum to Harmony H-400A AC/DC amp tonebrulee Tubes / Valves 8 10th April 2008 02:01 AM
Harmony H-194 Tube Amp lpd Swap Meet 0 17th July 2007 05:43 AM
Harmony of Taiwan drivers? Spasticteapot Multi-Way 3 10th February 2007 11:07 AM
Harmony Taiwan speaker drivers - any good? Spasticteapot Multi-Way 0 20th January 2007 11:31 PM
Eight Part Harmony: The Tao Headphone Buffer Steve Eddy Headphone Systems 4 13th November 2003 07:19 PM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 05:03 AM.

Page generated in 0.08809 seconds (75.94% PHP - 24.06% MySQL) with 10 queries

Copyright ©1999-2012 diyAudio