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Old 16th November 2006, 09:22 AM   #1
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Default could this work ? (PPamp with ccs)

I gathered some info left and right and came to this circuit (see attachment).
I am not good at tube theory, so I have some questions.

- If I choose for KT66, how much current should I use if i have a B+ of 370 volt ?

- Can I connect the Pimm ccs to ground or does it need a negative supply ?

- Can i differ between the two bias voltages to get the amp in balance ? How much bias voltage is needed for the best operating point (see first question) ?

I cannot afford to blow things up so your help is appreciated.

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Old 16th November 2006, 09:27 AM   #2
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Default one more question

Can I use local feedback on the outputstage in this way ?
How big would the resistor need to be ?

Just for fun: See threefold feedback in this 6L6 amp from a magazine (1958)
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Old 16th November 2006, 09:37 AM   #3
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My KT66 data sheets aren't handy right now, but I'd guess you would end up with about 35V on the cathodes, which is easily enough to power any CCS, so yes, it will work without needing a negative supply. Whether it's worth doing it is another matter...
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Old 16th November 2006, 09:40 AM   #4
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Old 16th November 2006, 01:44 PM   #5
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Calling an output stage CSS on the cathodes a Magic Box is a little bit extravagant ain't it :-D
Gary Pimm has done the same thing on his 47P-P and 1626 P-P schematics.
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Old 16th November 2006, 02:30 PM   #6
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You must also consider what happens after overload... I guess I don't see what the CCS buys you versus the disadvantages.

And it's worth looking at Langford-Smith's comments in RDH4 about that circuit.
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Old 16th November 2006, 03:48 PM   #7
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The two advantages I can see with the un-bypassed shared cathode CCS is (1) that it improves common-mode and power supply rejection. But in a class A PP stage, if tubes are well matched, rejection is pretty good already, no matter what sits under the cathodes, within reason of course. And (2), the CCS forces the sum of the two tubesí cathode currents to a set value which is more stable over time, aging, temperature, etc. than is achievable with either fixed bias or cathode bias. However, as you say, in overload, there is no stretch room beyond the fixed class A current, and this is the big limitation in a power stage. In circuits where each tube is separately cathode biased with its own bypassed resistor, there will be a frequency roll-off which does not occur with the shared CCS, but which also does not occur with RC biasing when the cathodes are directly connected (except for tube imbalances which convert some of the common-mode voltage to differential mode).
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