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 24th May 2006, 04:46 AM #1 jaymanaa   diyAudio Member   Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kansas Henrys Anybody know a simple way to determine Henry value of a scavenged choke. The resistance is 38 ohms. Thanks, Jay __________________ "Make everything as simple as possible, but no simpler" Einstein
 24th May 2006, 06:10 AM #2 rpapps   diyAudio Member   Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: nowhere of interest Hi Jay If you have a low voltage AC supply (wall wart?), an AC voltmeter and don't mind doing a little math, try this. Connect a 1K resistor (R) in series with your choke and connect the AC suppply (12 volts should do) across the outer ends. Measure the voltage across the resistor (call it Vr) and across the inductor (call it Vz). The proportion of the two voltages will be the same as the proportion of R & Z (impedance of the choke). So Vr/Vz = R/Z. Transposing give Z = (Vz * R)/Vr Note that Z is a combination of the resistance and inductive reactance (Xl) of the choke but since the resistance is usually small compared to Xl for a choke of this kind, it can be ignored. So in this case we can say Xl = Z. Xl = 2* Pi*f*L where f is 60 Hertz, L is the inductance in Henrys and Pi is 3.14. Transposing gives L = Xl/2*Pi*f L = Xl/376.8 Hope this helps Cheers Rob
 24th May 2006, 06:51 AM #3 Tubes4e4   diyAudio Member     Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Leverkusen Have a look at this link and scroll down a bit (2nd figure and text below). Tom __________________ If in doubt, just measure.
 24th May 2006, 12:03 PM #4 jaymanaa   diyAudio Member   Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kansas Thank you both for the excellent replies. Rob, you should be a teacher if you are not. I normally have trouble with mathmatical equations, but you explained that one very well. Tom, great link, good to hear from you. I am still in the PS stage of your SE EL34. I am using iron scavenged from a big old organ amp for the PS. I am ending up with either too much (cap input~500) or to little (choke input=340). I have some other chokes to try as I don't want to deviate from the theory of high voltage and low current. I am expecting to receive the OPT's any day. I had some wound at Heyboer with 10k primary. Thanks Again for the very helpful replies, Jay __________________ "Make everything as simple as possible, but no simpler" Einstein
 24th May 2006, 02:06 PM #5 lndm   diyAudio Member   Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: nsw If you use the series resistor method, then Zt=SQR(R^2+Zl^2). The total impedance at the point where Zl=R will be 1.414 x R. Therefore, Vr will equal 0.707 x Vin at that point.
Tubes4e4
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Hi Jay,

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 I am ending up with either too much (cap input~500) or to little (choke input=340)
Suggested option to consider:

When using GZ34 with CLC: Use lowish first C (say, 10uF), this will be very gentle to the rectifier tube, then, after the CLC block, you could add another two (one for each channel!) RC combos with appropiate R value to drop the "rest" of excessive voltage. If possible, connect the positive connection of the last C directly at the B+ end tap of the OPT primary, and from there, the other end of the cap to gnd. There is no point of making those additional two Cs larger than, say, 68uF.

Generally, this suggestion of a CLCRC filtering split for channels after the 2nd C will further improve on residual hum (not that it would be necessary...) due to the added filter stage(s), and will give better channel separation, too. The later is often overlooked in tubed stereo gear, and certainly is not very important for more or less constant current drawing class A SE stages, but ... why not getting some additional dBs of channel separation for "free" while "burning" excessive voltage ...

I am glad you have chosen the high voltage / low current / high reflected load impedance path for trioded EL34, I am sure you won´t regret it

Tom
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jaymanaa
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 Originally posted by Tubes4e4 Hi Jay, Suggested option to consider: When using GZ34 with CLC: Use lowish first C (say, 10uF), this will be very gentle to the rectifier tube, then, after the CLC block, you could add another two (one for each channel!) RC combos with appropiate R value to drop the "rest" of excessive voltage. If possible, connect the positive connection of the last C directly at the B+ end tap of the OPT primary, and from there, the other end of the cap to gnd. There is no point of making those additional two Cs larger than, say, 68uF. Generally, this suggestion of a CLCRC filtering split for channels after the 2nd C will further improve on residual hum (not that it would be necessary...) due to the added filter stage(s), and will give better channel separation, too. The later is often overlooked in tubed stereo gear, and certainly is not very important for more or less constant current drawing class A SE stages, but ... why not getting some additional dBs of channel separation for "free" while "burning" excessive voltage ... I am glad you have chosen the high voltage / low current / high reflected load impedance path for trioded EL34, I am sure you won´t regret it Tom
Great idea, my jazzed up 70 has seperates for each channel. I forgot to mention that I am using a pair (for looks not load) of Jan coke bottle 5R4's. I've been doing some modeling on the bench with a 140mA load. Just last night I got familiar enough with PSUDII to do it that way. This idea will give me some stuff to try. BTW I also found a set of Jan Sylvania 6SL7's. Thanks, Jay
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