el34 instead of 6550

Ahmad_tbp · 22nd April 2006, 11:59 AM

hi all
can i use a pair of el34 instead the pair of 6550 in this circuit ?
http://www.drtube.com/schematics/marshall/1986mk2jp.gif

ray_moth · 22nd April 2006, 01:33 PM

I would say yes, provided that the voltages are not too high and the OPT gives a suitable load for EL34 in pentode PP, Class AB1. B+ at point A should be about 425v to 450v, the screens at point B should be at about 400v and load should be 3.4k plate-to-plate. This will yield about 50w RMS output

audiohead · 22nd April 2006, 02:07 PM

Hi there:
The o/p xfr pri impedance, really does not matter, use anything from 3.4k to 6.6 Kohm.

Set /adj the bias (Idle current) for EL-34 anywhere from -39 to -43V.

You need to add a resistor (10 ohm /2w) on each EL-34 cathode (to gnd) to be able to minitor and set the idle current, by measuring the DC voltage drop across them.

Ahmad_tbp · 22nd April 2006, 06:57 PM

ok thank u so much men

ray_moth · 23rd April 2006, 12:07 AM

Quote:

The o/p xfr pri impedance, really does not matter, use anything from 3.4k to 6.6 Kohm.

I beg to differ. In pentode mode, the p-p load is very critical. 6.6k would be OK if you were using cathode bias or if your topology were UL but for fixed bias pentode AB1, 3.4k is recommended.

audiohead · 23rd April 2006, 12:23 AM

Hi Ray:
Kindly enlighten us as what parameter(s) you think are effected by Z pri?

regards,
art

Ahmad_tbp · 23rd April 2006, 07:15 AM

ray_moth · 23rd April 2006, 08:02 AM

Pentode mode is far more "'picky" about the optimum load impedance, for maximum power and minimum distortion, than either triode or ultalinear. In pentode mode, distortion increases rapidly either side of the optimum load. If you can't get the load impedance exact, it's generally better to err on the side of lower impedance, rather than higher.

I don't know exactly what other parameters are affected by the load (Z pri as you call it). The figures I've seen for EL34 push-pull are those in Mullard data sheets.

22nd April 2006, 11:59 AM	#1
Ahmad_tbp diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Kayseri/Turkey	el34 instead of 6550 hi all can i use a pair of el34 instead the pair of 6550 in this circuit ? http://www.drtube.com/schematics/marshall/1986mk2jp.gif __________________ Marge, don't discourage the boy! Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals! Except the weasel.

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Ahmad_tbp diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Kayseri/Turkey	ok thank u so much men __________________ Marge, don't discourage the boy! Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals! Except the weasel.

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22nd April 2006, 01:33 PM	#2
ray_moth diyAudio Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Jakarta	I would say yes, provided that the voltages are not too high and the OPT gives a suitable load for EL34 in pentode PP, Class AB1. B+ at point A should be about 425v to 450v, the screens at point B should be at about 400v and load should be 3.4k plate-to-plate. This will yield about 50w RMS output

22nd April 2006, 02:07 PM	#3
audiohead diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles, california	Hi there: The o/p xfr pri impedance, really does not matter, use anything from 3.4k to 6.6 Kohm. Set /adj the bias (Idle current) for EL-34 anywhere from -39 to -43V. You need to add a resistor (10 ohm /2w) on each EL-34 cathode (to gnd) to be able to minitor and set the idle current, by measuring the DC voltage drop across them.

23rd April 2006, 12:23 AM	#6
audiohead diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles, california	Hi Ray: Kindly enlighten us as what parameter(s) you think are effected by Z pri? regards, art

23rd April 2006, 08:02 AM	#8
ray_moth diyAudio Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Jakarta	Pentode mode is far more "'picky" about the optimum load impedance, for maximum power and minimum distortion, than either triode or ultalinear. In pentode mode, distortion increases rapidly either side of the optimum load. If you can't get the load impedance exact, it's generally better to err on the side of lower impedance, rather than higher. I don't know exactly what other parameters are affected by the load (Z pri as you call it). The figures I've seen for EL34 push-pull are those in Mullard data sheets.

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