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Old 20th April 2006, 10:41 AM   #1
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Default PSU topology & regulator

In response to my PSU capacitors/electrolytics thread, I want to use a hybrid bridge, as recommended by Kevinkr, using a 5R4 tube (as my mains transformer has heater taps for this 5V/2A). I then replace the positive leading diodes with the tube rectifier and reduce the first capacitor values drastically (maybe 10uF only instead of 330uF), correct?

As I need to drop some voltage I was thinking choke or regulation, still open as of this.
For the regulation option I was delighted to find a nice and simple schematic from Headwize by Kevin Gilmore, see attachement. I can't understand how this can use a 450V capacitor after the bridge, can you?
Math=375 +/-10% mains variation * RMS value is 375 x 1,1 x 1.414 = 583V aka a 630 capacitor should be used!

One thread I read that hybrid topology gives different noise spectrum in the positive and negative rectifier cycle? I think it was Geek talking about this...

Also in another schematic by Kevin (see next posting for attachement) he uses a full wave topology instead. Except for diode ratings and such as discribed in textbooks, this should be exactly the same?
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Default Re: PSU topology & regulator

Hola Knubie,

what a cool schematic !

what software are you using?


hasta luego,

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maybe add capacitor on zener for better ripple rejection
and reverse diode protection on power transistor

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Old 20th April 2006, 12:03 PM   #5
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Hola...
I'm sorry to say I use Windows and cut & paste from Headwize.com

I forgot to mention mission statements for my PSU:
1. Drop some voltage
2. Use bipolar PSU for some faint survival reasons + noise cancelling opportunities...
3. Make a simple regulator to drop voltage before I buy a lot of chokes.....
4. Understand the bugger.....

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Old 20th April 2006, 12:04 PM   #6
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You're right, the input cap is under-rated for that voltage. I would rate the output cap higher, too, in case regulation drops out. 330u failing will make a BIG bang.
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Old 20th April 2006, 12:17 PM   #7
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thanks jeapel, tips noted!
The regulator can be improved a lot, I guess, most likely with a 2 transistor version, like attached.

Also I think I'm being a bit paranoid about using a ss/tube hybrid rectifier and then a SS psu regulator, this is maybe overkill. Point is I just want to check out and build the different topologies.

Also another question that I have regarding seperate mains transformers for positive and negative rails as in attachement... Are there any pro's regarding this?
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I use my SS (diode + regulator) for a 6SN7 preamp and
the sound is very good with very low ripple

in my book the only advantage of tube diode is the +300v
is coming slowly like the heater to avoid cathode stripping
maybe more important for a power output tube
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hi

maybe add capacitor on zener for better ripple rejection
and reverse diode protection on power transistor

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may I ask what is the logic behind having the 1N5408 between the D and S when the MOSFET already has one internally?
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Old 21st April 2006, 11:50 AM   #10
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Here's an hybrid example from AudioDesignGuide, this will give a slow start up of HT. So my plan is to not use the 2 PS chokes, 4uF caps instead of 47uF and us a regulator in place of the second choke. Does this look alright, any comments?
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