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Old 3rd February 2006, 03:35 PM   #11
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FWIW, I've compared teflon film/foil to Mundorf silver, Audio Note copper foil, Jensen copper foil, Jensen aluminum foil, MultiCap polypro foil, Sonicap polypro and a host of others and the teflons were superior = more musical = less hardness, less veiling, etc. The only cap I've found to better teflons are liquid teflons. YMMV.
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FWIW, I've compared teflon film/foil to Mundorf silver, Audio Note copper foil, Jensen copper foil, Jensen aluminum foil, MultiCap polypro foil, Sonicap polypro and a host of others and the teflons were superior = more musical = less hardness, less veiling, etc. The only cap I've found to better teflons are liquid teflons. YMMV.
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Old 3rd February 2006, 04:28 PM   #13
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I use and like the teflon V-caps in my pre-amplifier and power amplifier, here is the site:
http://www.v-cap.com/tefloncapacitors.html

I have tried both the audio note and jensen pio's in the past and find V-caps preferable. I think their tonal balance and resolution is pretty outstanding in my own designs.

I would follow the manufacturers recommendation for mounting and burn in based on my experience with them.


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Old 3rd February 2006, 04:52 PM   #14
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Where can I get these V-caps in Holland???
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FWIW, I've compared teflon film/foil to Mundorf silver, Audio Note copper foil, Jensen copper foil, Jensen aluminum foil, MultiCap polypro foil, Sonicap polypro and a host of others and the teflons were superior = more musical = less hardness, less veiling, etc. The only cap I've found to better teflons are liquid teflons. YMMV.
Tom, the teflon cap you've tried is the Russian teflon or the V-cap ?

How is the sonicap sounds like ( gen 1, gen 2 or plattinum ? ), how far behind Mcap silver-oil & Jensen copper foil?

thinking to try gen 1 on speaker network and maybe also gen 2 for 12au7 amp.
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Hi 100db, I've tried numerous varieties of teflons, Rel-Cap, AudioCap, Russian, Component Research, metallized, V-Cap. I prefer V-Caps of all of them.

The Sonicaps I've tried are Gen 1.

The Mundorf, Audio Note and Jensen PIOs, to my ears, sound smooth, but lack the air and detail of teflon caps, which also, IME, have better bass. The PIOs sound to me between decent polypropylene caps (Sonicap) and teflon caps. The limiting factor to the Mundorfs et al, despite their use of exotic plate materials etc, is the DA of their dielectric.

The Russian caps measure surprisingly well, but they are not extended foil designs, an element that limits their performance. They're otherwise amazingly well built.
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V-caps are available worldwide from their website, and from select modders in the USA. I am not sure there is distribution overseas, check their site for more information.

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Old 4th February 2006, 01:53 AM   #18
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Tom, the teflon cap you've tried is the Russian teflon or the V-cap ?

How is the sonicap sounds like ( gen 1, gen 2 or plattinum ? ), how far behind Mcap silver-oil & Jensen copper foil?

thinking to try gen 1 on speaker network and maybe also gen 2 for 12au7 amp.

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Hi 100db, I've tried numerous varieties of teflons, Rel-Cap, AudioCap, Russian, Component Research, metallized, V-Cap. I prefer V-Caps of all of them.

The Sonicaps I've tried are Gen 1.

The Mundorf, Audio Note and Jensen PIOs, to my ears, sound smooth, but lack the air and detail of teflon caps, which also, IME, have better bass. The PIOs sound to me between decent polypropylene caps (Sonicap) and teflon caps. The limiting factor to the Mundorfs et al, despite their use of exotic plate materials etc, is the DA of their dielectric.

The Russian caps measure surprisingly well, but they are not extended foil designs, an element that limits their performance. They're otherwise amazingly well built.
Thanks for a great review Tom !
Would like to try the V-cap also, but it's too far from my budget ..... the 0.68uF cost almost half of my 12au7 total cost.
Any suggestion for the lower cost one ?

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Hmm the V-Cap has an interesting blend of materials. Maybe it solves the problem of my finding straight teflon non musical. Must try. Thanks for the tip.
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