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 20th October 2005, 11:59 PM #1 Danko   diyAudio Member   Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Hungary LongTailedPair gain -> how to calculate? Hello! I have built this schematic: On the schematic, there's 6SL7GT, but I used ECC85. How can I calculate the voltage-gain of this stage? Thanks in advance! __________________ Best regards, Danko
 21st October 2005, 12:29 AM #2 SY   On Hiatus     Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chicagoland The gain will be one-half that of the same circuit in grounded cathode. Gain = muRp/2(Rp + rp), where Rp is the plate load resistor and rp is the plate resistance. __________________ "You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I'll tell you what his 'pinions is."
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 Originally posted by SY The gain will be one-half that of the same circuit in grounded cathode. Gain = muRp/2(Rp + rp), where Rp is the plate load resistor and rp is the plate resistance.
WOW! That is the most concise explaination of LTP gain calculation that I have ever heard. Good one!
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 21st October 2005, 02:06 AM #4 SY   On Hiatus     Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chicagoland Well, to be fair, what I said is only true for very long tails like current sources. But for a tail of 47K in this circuit, it will be close. __________________ "You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I'll tell you what his 'pinions is."
 21st October 2005, 07:20 AM #5 Yvesm   diyAudio Member     Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ardeche As a rule of thumb: µ/4 You may have good surprise Yves.
 21st October 2005, 07:37 AM #6 Danko   diyAudio Member   Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Hungary Thank you SY! Oh, thanks for mentioning current source! Wich parameters will (will?) improve of the LTP, if I use a LTP in the "tail" of the LTP, instead of a resistor? And also thank you, Yvesm! I have surprised! :-)) __________________ Best regards, Danko
 21st October 2005, 12:20 PM #7 SY   On Hiatus     Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chicagoland There are a lot of good current source circuits floating around. Morgan Jones shows both bipolar and tube versions in "Valve Amplifiers." Gary Pimm has some more exotic examples on his web site. In the one long tailed pair amp I have at the moment (a rebuilt Eico HF87), I used a pretty simple cascode bipolar sink. The performance is excellent and it cost only a couple of dollars in parts. If it's possible for you to use a small negative supply (say, -12V or so), you can greatly simplify your circuit and improve the balance by using a CCS tail. __________________ "You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I'll tell you what his 'pinions is."
 21st October 2005, 01:48 PM #8 Danko   diyAudio Member   Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Hungary Thanks! I will search google for some good performing CCS. __________________ Best regards, Danko
 21st October 2005, 08:58 PM #9 Danko   diyAudio Member   Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Hungary Why do people mostly use semiconductor CCS, and not tube-CCS? I have seen many tube-amplifier schematics, but just a few of them use tube based constant current source. Is it only, becouse of a MJE340, or BC546 is far more cheaper than a tube? __________________ Best regards, Danko
 21st October 2005, 09:21 PM #10 aletheian   diyAudio Member     Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Philly As a side note, if you use the tail resistor instead of a CCS, don't forget that the sum of the 2 tube's current across the tail will eat your voltage at the plates down by it's value. It's an obvious mistake that I made once and plotted my loadlines about 60v too high, had quite a surprise when I built the thing up and tested it. __________________ Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam!

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