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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Hong Kong
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Hi,
I'm curious to know what will happen to a rectifier tube of filament voltage of 6.3 volt (e.g. 6CJ3 TV damper diode with cathode) if it is lit by a voltage of 5 volt instead. Thanks in advance. |
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Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Hungary
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I think, it will shorten the tube's life. But I'm not a tube-guru, maybe I'm not right...
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: leeuwarden, netherlands
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the cathode will not generate enough electrons because it hasn't reached optimum temperature, so therefore it will not be able to deliver the desired current.
Eventually it will destroy the cathode (cathode stripping) this can take a while though...
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Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Near London. UK
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It won't get hot enough to emit significant electrons. The anode will then drag all available electrons from it and expose the cathode surface to ion bombardment which will destroy it in short order. Give the heater 6.3V - and if that means buying a cheap and cheerful 6V toroid, then do it.
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: MI
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The oversized filament in that tube will emit plenty of electrons. On my tube tester with 300 volts and a 100ma load, no dofference from 6.3 to 5 volts. Do expect to derate current to say 80% & expect some lower tube life- no big deal on these cheap tubes.
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: MI
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with a 6.3 volt @ 1.8 ampere Damper rectifier. I would not try this 5 volt trick on a EZ80 or EZ81 and simular small 6.3 volt rectifiers.
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Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Near London. UK
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Well, experiment beats theory any day!
However, you have to ask, "Is it good engineering to deliberately run a valve in a way that theory says is damaging?" I can't help feel that this kludge will come back and bite you on the foot at some point in the future. A 6V toroid is cheap.
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Taiwan
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I rememer here somewhere PRR has explained very well about different working conditions on different heater types...
I thought that was a 300B related topic... |
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: MI
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Others have done such without any issue reported on the TV damper rectifier tubes. The designer should just bite it cost wise and use a Mullard GZ34 or a pair if current is excessive for one tube.
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