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vintagekirk 11th June 2005 07:33 AM

Marantz preamp clone for newbie?
 
I'm thinking about getting one of the diyclub marantz style preamp boards http://eshop.diyclub.biz/product_inf...roducts_id=120

With the regulators and time delay, etc. - looks like a pretty good choice for a tube neophite. (I've built amps and speakers from kits, I'm hoping this is similar complexity.)

The circuit looks enough like the 7c that I'm hoping to try some of the classic POOGE mods later.

Are there better choices I haven't noticed? Anybody have any experience modifying these?

Thanks,
Kirk

PS - yes, I know it's not really a clone.

Brett 11th June 2005 08:26 AM

Re: Marantz preamp clone for newbie?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by vintagekirk
Are there better choices I haven't noticed? Anybody have any experience modifying these?
Yes. I owned an original 7C and modified the hell out of it before restoring it and selling it.
Build something else. Not a very good preamp, highly over-rated by the nostalgia and collector crowd. And certain segments of the Asian 'phile crowd.
Quote:

The circuit looks enough like the 7c that I'm hoping to try some of the classic POOGE mods later.
Been there done that. Silk purse, sows ear and all that.

Even at it's best, it has a fat, round, cliched 'tubey' radiogram sound, with poor noise and resolution.

kmtang 11th June 2005 12:00 PM

Hi Brett,

I am just wondering what's your choice of the line amp?

Johnny

kmtang 11th June 2005 12:03 PM

Hi Kirk,

I think you can just buy the PCB from them and purchase other components from other suppliers. Then, you can get the best components such as Riken resistors and Jensen paper in oil capacitors.

Johnny

kmtang 11th June 2005 12:05 PM

Kirk,

Oh no, I am wrong. There's just not enough space to fit the large size Jensen PIO caps on the PCB. It must be some struggles. May be you can just get the Power supply and build the line amp part yourself.

Johnny

Brett 11th June 2005 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kmtang
I am just wondering what's your choice of the line amp?
Do a search for 12B4a and you 'll find a bit of discussion on it.
Another interesting design would be John Broskie's Aikido. I haven't built it though.
Then there's Franks' linestage (do a search), and Allen Wright's designs (these are superb).....
Quote:

Originally posted by kmtang
Then, you can get the best components such as Riken resistors and Jensen paper in oil capacitors.
It's not a great topology. Throwing expensive parts at it only makes it expensive rubbish. Putting PIO caps in a muddy design, will make it muddier.

vintagekirk 12th June 2005 06:23 AM

Hi Brett,

Re. your take on the Marantz 7C's
Quote:

cliched 'tubey' radiogram sound
- a classic sound was actually part of the attraction.

Truthfully, I am a little concerned that the spousal unit might not notice the difference from our current SS preamp (NAD) ...

Anyway, the other kit I've been considering is Doc Bottlehead's Foreplay. Better choice?

Thanks for your inputs,
Kirk

kmtang 12th June 2005 03:13 PM

Hi Kirk,

The Marantz M7 is the most favorate among our DIY friends in Vancouver. Almost every one of them built one.

Some even feed the left and right channels with individual for PS filtering circuit in order to achieve better channel separation and clearer sound. They are using tube regulated power supply in separate chassis with oil capacitors. The bypass capacitors in the circuit are Solen PP. The coupling capacitors are either MIT caps or Jensen PIO caps.

Try one and see how you like it. It is really a good choice.

JOhnny

vintagekirk 13th June 2005 06:35 AM

Hi Johnny,

I appreciate the encouragement and earlier component suggestions.

Thanks,
Kirk


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