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Old 9th December 2004, 11:25 AM   #1
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Default Need help with PP pentode design

Good afternoon.

To make a long story short:
I need 100+ watts of tube power for bass guitar use, and Im a bit short on money.
My best idea this far seems to be 6 x PL504 (only because thats what I have in the junkbox) in PP pentode mode.

Im a complete newbie to pentode PP amps so I need help to design the output stage.
What plate load and plate/screen voltage would give maximum output power with these tubes?
(And remember, Im aiming for raw power, not hifi)

Im planning to wind the OPT myself, so a bit of guidance would be nice since Ive never made a PP OPT before.
I have some 150 and 300VA transformer cores that should be fine, and the frequency response isnt that critical.
40Hz to 10-12kHz is enough.

Any help would be very appreciated!

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Old 9th December 2004, 11:55 AM   #2
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for bass guitar amp. use a cheap pair EL34 in class AB2. they put 100Wrms in your speaker. (two El34 arround u$s30 or less).

frecuency range is 40hz to 5khz. see range in celestions speakers.

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Old 9th December 2004, 01:40 PM   #3
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Well I have two pairs of Svetlana EL34 and a suitable power transformer, so that could be an alternative.
Any ideas of suitable voltages and impedances?
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Old 9th December 2004, 03:31 PM   #4
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Well I have two pairs of Svetlana EL34 and a suitable power transformer, so that could be an alternative.
Any ideas of suitable voltages and impedances?
Hi Fulling !
You need 800V at 200mA to do that.

I hope you know this may kill you !

The load impedance is around 10K for a pair.

Gimme the size of your avilaible iron, I'll try to compute for winding !

Cheers, Yves.
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For voltages, I assume you are refering to plate voltage, Refer to the data sheets, and look for the settings that will get you what you want

http://tdsl.duncanamps.com/tubesearch.php

If memory serves they can take up to 800V on the plate and around 500 on the screen. Remember to tie G3 to the cathode.

In my bass amp (ampeg v4) I had it wired for 6CA7 (same thing as EL34's) for a while. Sounded real good. I switched to the JJ 6L6's. Reason- Long story, best for a new thread.

For info on PP topology refer to

On Line Tube Learning for newbies....

I think you will be very happy with EL34's. Nice and deep.

Unless you wanted to go for some 6550's

Good Luck
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Old 9th December 2004, 03:42 PM   #6
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Oh, 800V is a bit too sweaty for me, and the power transformer I have "only" gives 500V after recification.

Well, before I decide for anything Ill have a chat with a friend who has tons of tube related junk, maybe he has something that can be of use here.
I think he once mentioned that he has a big OPT suitable for 6 x 6L6 or something laying around... That wouldve been perfect.

Ill be back when I have talked to my friend, making an OPT from scratch seems unnecessary if he has one for sale.
Thanks anyway!
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Old 9th December 2004, 03:44 PM   #7
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Ah, thanks for the links!
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Old 9th December 2004, 03:49 PM   #8
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Well well well, look what a little googling can do!

http://www.onestone.de.tt/

The site is in German (which I dont understand much of), but the schematics speaks for themselves!

Amps with 4x PL504 and 6xPL504!!
Simple topologys and mains transformers on the outputs!!
Whoaah!
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Check out some of the ampeg schematics. Most notible are the v series and of course the SVT. The SVT has a pretty fancy driver stage. I personaly have the V-4. That is similair to the V-4B that is designed for bass. At least they have pretty much the same power sections. Also check the B-15 (Think Motown and James Jamerson)

http://users.aol.com/bluemuse/ampeg.html

mn
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Well well well, look what a little googling can do!

http://www.onestone.de.tt/

The site is in German (which I dont understand much of), but the schematics speaks for themselves!

Amps with 4x PL504 and 6xPL504!!
Simple topologys and mains transformers on the outputs!!
Whoaah!
Be interesting to see how this works out for you. Have fun and enjoy. This is my sort of fun project, cheap and built from stuff laying around and/or free.

I hope you want this just for home, as it gets real old real fast humping heavy high power tube amps around, and ~100W won't be enough in a lot of situations. I'm going to build some of Bill Fitzmaurice's designs so I can have lighter cabs and need a lot less power than my JBL based rig. Contemplated a small-ish tube amp, which I have plenty of parts for laying about, but may go with a small digital module to power it just for the weight.
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