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Paracelsus 20th March 2004 08:41 AM

output transformer spice model
 
Hi guys,

I think this is kind of a newbie question. but... What output transformer spice model do you usually use in your simulations?

I'm using the XFRM_NONLINEAR from the breakout lib, but I this model doesn't include the dc impedance and I think doesn't properly model the reactance either.

thanks for the attention
-Miguel

fscarpa58 21st March 2004 10:08 AM

Hi


what spice software are you using?( I use Mcap 7)

I usually model output trafo with coupled chokes.
If I also had to simulate hysteresis than I
chose an appropriate non linear core.

DC resistance, parassitic capacitance and
leakage inductance are non difficult to add.

Federico

jackinnj 8th September 2005 11:57 AM

you can make a "current to voltage converter" a "perfect transformer" and then add all of the imperfections yourself -- primary and secondary leakage inductance, interwinding capacitance, DC resistance

jackinnj 8th September 2005 01:00 PM

2 Attachment(s)
and in a paper Marshall Leach wrote in the Journal of the Audio Engineering Society --(Vol 43 No. 3, 1995 March pp 117-126)

*Transformer Model Subcircuit
.subckt trans p1 st1 ct st2 p2 s1 s2
R1 P1 1 "R1"
L1 1 SG1 "L1"
R2 SG1 2 "R2"
L2 2 CT "L2"
R3 CT 3 "R3"
L3 3 SG2 "L3"
R4 SG2 4 "R4"
L4 4 P2 "L4"
R5 S1 5 "R5"
L5 5 S2 "L5"
KALL L1 L2 L3 L4 L5 "k"
.ends

Leached used 0.9988 as the coupling constant KALL

EC8010 8th September 2005 10:25 PM

I expect Marchall Leach had a particular transformer in mind. My experience is that there's a huge difference between output transformers once you start measuring. And as for trying to make a model that accurately replicates their behaviour under all loading conditions...

Geek 9th September 2005 01:32 AM

The stock 3f4 model in Circuit Maker Student is fair accurate to a Hammond.

Look at the sample "vtpwramp.ckt" that's included with the program. The model params passed on are in Kohms to CT (not P-P) and secondary.

jackinnj 9th September 2005 02:52 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Here's the SPICE model for "AUdio Transformer 10:1
in Multisim:

.SUBCKT ts_audio_10_to_1 1 2 3 4 5
* EWB Version 4 - Transformer Model
* n= 10 Le= 1e-006 Lm= 0.001 Rp= 1e-006 Rs= 1e-006
Rp 1 6 1e-006ohm
Rs1 10 3 1e-006ohm
Rs2 11 5 5e-007ohm
Le 6 7 1e-006H
Lm 7 2 0.001H
E1 9 8 7 2 0.05
E2 8 4 7 2 0.05
V1 9 10 DC 0V
V2 8 11 DC 0V
F1 7 2 V1 0.1
F2 7 2 V2 0.1
.ENDS

You can adjust the values for 100:1 etc. I attach also a sketch of what the SPICE connections seem to be (node 12 on the schematic is node 7 in the sub-circuit model)


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