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No not Again...Aikido Plate dissipation question

OK, this has been asked ad nauseum, but wanna make sure I don't fry a 6H30.

What I have on the 6H30 Output Tube:

V at Plate - Top Section - 204vdc
I of tube 24ma
V at Plate - Bottom Section - 102vdc

So 204 * .024, I get 4.89 watts and max plate dissipation is 4 watts (can be pushed to 6 says BAT)

Now since tubes are stacked, I am to use 1/2 B+ when figuring the plate dissipation, so top plate is 204vdc, bottom plate is 102vdc, 1/2 (204) * .024 and get 2.44 watts.

Now Andy Pairo asked this a while back and indicated the B+ should not be halved as the plate current is same in both sections of tube...

E88CC dissipation in Aikido

As far as I see it, this would be correct, as the top section dissipation (with total voltage across section - in other words, subtracting the cathode voltage from plate voltage) is (204-102)* .024 and bottom section dissipation is (102 - 0)* .024 = 4.89 watts total in my case.

And to make this thread even more annoying, look at the following from Tubecad, where current is 40ma with a top plate of 150vdc giving 6 watts dissipation on a 6H30 if we don't half the top plate voltage....

What gives?? Driving me nuts. Seems like quite a few voltage / current selections in the Aikido manual also push / exceed the tube dissipation limits (if top plate voltage is not halved)...

The input tube is a 6N1P at 204vdc and 5ma, not that this matters to my question...
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Last edited by john65b; 8th June 2014 at 01:18 AM.

 8th June 2014, 01:35 AM #2 diyAudio Member   Join Date: Nov 2013 Replace those tubes with resistors of the same value. Then it's obvious that each resistor get half B+ and will dissipate half B+ multiplied by the idle current. Edit: then it's a matter of peeking at the spec sheet and check the max dissipation PER SECTION. Spec sheet usually states dissipation for each plate, not in total. This should make sense if the tube in question is dissimilar triodes or triode-pentode in one bottle. Last edited by ballpencil; 8th June 2014 at 01:45 AM.
 8th June 2014, 01:41 AM #3 diyAudio Member     Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago Yup. Good point...Why would Broskie publish instructions that exceed the tube ratings? __________________ All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us? Life of Brian
 8th June 2014, 02:03 AM #4 diyAudio Member   Join Date: Nov 2013 Uhh.. no he didnt. I haven't check 6H30 spec sheet but if as you said they are 6 watts max dissipation per plate then each plate dissipates approx 75v x 40mA = 3 watts. You can still double the idle current to 80mA before you reach max plate dissipation.
 8th June 2014, 02:16 AM #5 diyAudio Member     Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago Max plate dissipation is 4 watts. Is that 4 watts each Triode? So 8 watts total? __________________ All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us? Life of Brian Last edited by john65b; 8th June 2014 at 02:23 AM.
 8th June 2014, 02:23 AM #6 diyAudio Member     Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago Whoops, Sorry, looks like I should have done a little more homework.... 6H30 Center design points: 1.Heater voltage………………………………….6.0-6.6 V 2.Maximum plate voltage..………………………250V 3.Maximum plate voltage for closed tube……….1050V 4.Maximum grid voltage in pulse mode t<=100uS…-50V 5.Maximum heater-cathode voltage……………..400V 6.Maximum pulse current for each triode……….6A 7.Maximum cathode current for each triode…….100 mA 8.Maximum plate dissipation for each triode……4 Watts 9.Maximum grid dissipation for each triode…….0.4 Watts 10.Maximum grid resistance…………………….300 kOhm 11.Maximum bulb temperature………………….250 degrees C __________________ All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us? Life of Brian
 8th June 2014, 02:36 AM #7 diyAudio Member   Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pretoria, South Africa I did not look up the 6H30 specs, but usually the maximum allowed power for both triodes is not twice that of one section; some 50% more (heat inside glass etc.). This particularly for plate dissipations of several watt per triode. It varies somewhat from one double triode to the next.
 8th June 2014, 03:28 AM #8 diyAudio Member   Join Date: Nov 2013 That's funny. Most people i know say that those numbers on tube spec sheets are too conservative so running each triode at its max dissipation is totally safe. You do want to run them at somewhere 75% max dissipation for long life.

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