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Old 8th April 2013, 08:37 PM   #1
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Default RH84 amp. Plate is 300V. What voltage...

should the screen be for best sound quality?

I have a VB408 to regulate the screen to a particular voltage.

Any ballpark figures? Or links to literature?
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Schematic attached. The Regulator will end up before the 2k2 resistor. Think I'll leave in the screen resistor?
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In the red light district Sy mentions ballpark 280-290?
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260 to 300 is fine ... but really the answer is more like "80% of plate 5%" ... which was determined empirically from tubes in service. One of the reasons for the "ultra linear tap" on many an output transformer. Transformer "ultralinear" is also quite reactive - meaning, that the screen voltage jumps about quite a bit in response not just to signal passing through the EL84, but also from reverse-EMF from the speakers stepping up into the autotransformer-connected primary. A nice Zener of about 20 volts is a great solution, though rarely used. Could also use 6 ea blue LEDs in series. About the same voltage, and gives that cool-blue glow.

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260 to 300 is fine ... but really the answer is more like "80% of plate 5%" ... which was determined empirically from tubes in service. One of the reasons for the "ultra linear tap" on many an output transformer. Transformer "ultralinear" is also quite reactive - meaning, that the screen voltage jumps about quite a bit in response not just to signal passing through the EL84, but also from reverse-EMF from the speakers stepping up into the autotransformer-connected primary. A nice Zener of about 20 volts is a great solution, though rarely used. Could also use 6 ea blue LEDs in series. About the same voltage, and gives that cool-blue glow.

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Tacky! Use a tap at 43% for the screens or as stated 80% of the HT.
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Sigh... ever measured that screen grid? No, not the "magic" ratio of 43%, but the actual voltage, my friend? Try it ... and prepare to be amused. GoatGuy
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the answer is more like "80% of plate 5%"
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Use a tap at 43% for the screens
For EL84 the UL tap is 22-24% at least on many UL transformers. The Dynaco Z565 for example.
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Hi Bas,

I built an RH84 many moons ago and it sounded great to me, the best of any SE EL84 I had built before (and there have been many)

I agree 250V - 300V should be fine. Going from memory, my plate voltage was a little over 300V, but seem to remember using a 10k resistor in place of the 2.2k. I never regulated mine but had all intentions to do so. You could always try a zener to drop the B+ and connect that to the screen as a "regulator", add a cap in there as well to kill noise if you think its necessary. If you used a 51V Zener then you should end up with ~ 250V on the screen or as GoatGuy suggested maybe a 20V Zener. I have found these smaller tubes need the voltage on the screen to be on the higher end to produce any power. Just watch the total dissipation of the EL84.

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For EL84 the UL tap is 22-24% at least on many UL transformers. The Dynaco Z565 for example
Yes, for the EL84 from what I read, 24% was empirically determined by Mr Hafler to be the winding percentage for the UL tap.

I am not a fan of the UL connection though, I still think of it as a cheaper way out over regulation (flame suit on).
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If you used a 51V Zener then you should end up with ~ 250V
Thanks Andrew.

I'm going to do just that with my RH KT120! But for this little critter I'll use the VB408's I have in my partsbin. They have been in my partsbin for more than a decade now And I'm sure they felt unappreciated.
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