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CraigNS 31st January 2013 09:31 PM

Masco C-10 Mic/Phono Amp
 
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Hi,

I have an old Masco C-10 Amp I was trying to get going. I've tried reforming the caps and I've replaced the burnt tubes (specifically the twin diode rectifier tube). I was getting a good output but the transformer was heating up. So I then replaced the multi-cap can with some individual capacitors. Still heating up. I then drew out the schematic and noticed the 20k ceramic resistor going to ground. I had a look and it's on a two terminal block bolted to the chasis and the terminal has been busted off. It is now held in place with a wire to the adjacent terminal. It looks like to me this shouldn't be going to ground. Maybe someone with more knowlege than I can have a look at this circuit and tell me what they think.

Thanks,
Craig

jazbo8 31st January 2013 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CraigNS (Post 3350719)
Hi,

I have an old Masco C-10 Amp I was trying to get going. I've tried reforming the caps and I've replaced the burnt tubes (specifically the twin diode rectifier tube). I was getting a good output but the transformer was heating up. So I then replaced the multi-cap can with some individual capacitors. Still heating up. I then drew out the schematic and noticed the 20k ceramic resistor going to ground. I had a look and it's on a two terminal block bolted to the chasis and the terminal has been busted off. It is now held in place with a wire to the adjacent terminal. It looks like to me this shouldn't be going to ground. Maybe someone with more knowlege than I can have a look at this circuit and tell me what they think.

Thanks,
Craig

The 20K as shown would pull a lot of current that's why the transformer is heating up, a more reasonable schematic is shown below, perhaps the 20K is sub'd for the choke?

http://music-electronics-forum.com/a...l-me-8-sch.jpg

Jaz

CraigNS 31st January 2013 11:14 PM

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Ya, that's what I've assumed. I was thinking it should go from the cathode of the rectifier to the 40uf cap then ground. I tried that, but have less volume output and still a heating transformer.

What about like this?

CraigNS 31st January 2013 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jazbo8 (Post 3350834)
The 20K as shown would pull a lot of current that's why the transformer is heating up, a more reasonable schematic is shown below, perhaps the 20K is sub'd for the choke?

http://music-electronics-forum.com/a...l-me-8-sch.jpg

Jaz

Right now, the center tap from the B+ transformer is going to chasis ground. Also it's using a multi-cap can, so no way to grab the negative of the 10uf/20uf cap. Do you think the center tap should be going to this resistor?

jjman 31st January 2013 11:49 PM

The 20k is a bleeder for safety, assuming the scheme in post#1 is accurate. It drains the dc after turning off. You can use a larger value if you are concerned it's pulling too much current. I'm actually using a 1meg on an amp but that's overly "slow."

jazbo8 1st February 2013 02:07 AM

Instead of us just guessing, perhaps it's easier to change it to the way you want, unless you are trying to restore it to its original condition. What is this amp going to be used for?

Jaz

CraigNS 1st February 2013 02:20 AM

Well, it's been around since I was a kid, so partly just want to get it going. Will use it for guitar. Wasn't looking for a guess... was hoping this would be a familiar circuit to someone.

jazbo8 1st February 2013 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CraigNS (Post 3351070)
Well, it's been around since I was a kid, so partly just want to get it going. Will use it for guitar. Wasn't looking for a guess... was hoping this would be a familiar circuit to someone.

Check out the Fender 5C1 Champ, or even other Masco for inspiration. Harp players seem really into the classic Masco's for their tone.


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