New driver stage for dynaco mk3

gabdx · 31st January 2013, 09:17 PM

I want to re-design the driver stage of the Dynaco MK3.

My idea is the following:

- no pre-amp, (I have already too much gain from the phono)

- volume pot 100k log

- phase splitter is LL1545A

- 6sn7 as drivers ( this is to be determined)

- a good dose of global feedback (this is to be determined how it is applied)

- kt88 in ultralinear with second grid 1k resistor with 40% taps.

indianajo · 1st February 2013, 02:55 AM

That is a lot of effort for monaural sound. I buy mono LP's to hear Toscanini or CR Fine at work, but stereo is one of those improvements that I can actually hear. You sure you don't want to buy a new chassis and a pair of matching output transformers? KT88's are pretty big, and hot.

artosalo · 1st February 2013, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabdx

I want to re-design the driver stage of the Dynaco MK3....

Do you mean to replace the 6AN8 with 6SN7 and the transformer ?
What sensitivity do you plan to get ?
And with what amount of GNFB ?

gabdx · 1st February 2013, 08:22 PM

I have 2 and they are actually working. I would use something like 15 db of feedback.

I thought about this:

100k volume - 6sn7 cathode follower with active load 6sn7

this is going to a LL1545A transformer for creating a balanced output,

the balanced output is feed to the long tail pair 6sn7 , feedback is applied to this part.

jgf · 1st February 2013, 08:45 PM

I was mulling over similar ideas, maybe without the input transformer. I'm thinking the 6SN7 won't have enough gain to apply global feedback, maybe consider 6922 or 6gk5?

gabdx · 1st February 2013, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgf

I was mulling over similar ideas, maybe without the input transformer. I'm thinking the 6SN7 won't have enough gain to apply global feedback, maybe consider 6922 or 6gk5?

Hi! I have too much gain as it is. I can cut easy 20 db.

The idea behind the input phase splitter transformer was my discovery that the long tail pair is far from perfect. I will draft a schematic...

jgf · 2nd February 2013, 11:00 AM

Sounds cool! I'd like to see it.

gabdx · 2nd February 2013, 01:09 PM

basically the idea is this one : Audio Virtual Systems very similar... I even use the same output trans...

gabdx · 3rd February 2013, 04:35 PM

Hi, I did more research and found that I could connect the volume pot to a doubled 6sn7 in triode mode connected directly to a LL1660S connected directly to KT88...

The feedback would be feed to the cathode resistors 6sn7 cath.

There would be 2 capacitors at the balanced ends of the LL1660S because I want to bias the tubes individually with grid bias.

Shematic similar to the SUN audio amplifier for EL34 PP...

LL1660S specifies 220 V R M S max

gabdx · 12:26 AM

I just don't know for the feedback and values of resistors.

I am figuring out if it needs capacitors because the KT88 are biased individually per grid and it could upset the transformer ability to split the music if there is modulation and different fields.

*** maybe I will abandon this idea and adopt this instead: input -- long tail pair -- capacitors -- KT88

31st January 2013, 09:17 PM	#1
gabdx diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2008	New driver stage for dynaco mk3 I want to re-design the driver stage of the Dynaco MK3. My idea is the following: - no pre-amp, (I have already too much gain from the phono) - volume pot 100k log - phase splitter is LL1545A - 6sn7 as drivers ( this is to be determined) - a good dose of global feedback (this is to be determined how it is applied) - kt88 in ultralinear with second grid 1k resistor with 40% taps.

1st February 2013, 02:55 AM	#2
indianajo diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Jeffersonville, Indiana USA	That is a lot of effort for monaural sound. I buy mono LP's to hear Toscanini or CR Fine at work, but stereo is one of those improvements that I can actually hear. You sure you don't want to buy a new chassis and a pair of matching output transformers? KT88's are pretty big, and hot. __________________ Dynakit ST70, ST120, PAS2,Hammond H182(2 ea),H112,A100,10-82TC,Peavey CS800S,1.3K, SP2-XT's, T-300 HF Proj's, Steinway console, Herald RA88a mixer, Wurlitzer 4500, 4300

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1st February 2013, 08:22 PM	#4
gabdx diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2008	I have 2 and they are actually working. I would use something like 15 db of feedback. I thought about this: 100k volume - 6sn7 cathode follower with active load 6sn7 this is going to a LL1545A transformer for creating a balanced output, the balanced output is feed to the long tail pair 6sn7 , feedback is applied to this part.

1st February 2013, 08:45 PM	#5
jgf diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: PA	I was mulling over similar ideas, maybe without the input transformer. I'm thinking the 6SN7 won't have enough gain to apply global feedback, maybe consider 6922 or 6gk5?

2nd February 2013, 11:00 AM	#7
jgf diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: PA	Sounds cool! I'd like to see it.

2nd February 2013, 01:09 PM	#8
gabdx diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2008	basically the idea is this one : Audio Virtual Systems very similar... I even use the same output trans...

3rd February 2013, 04:35 PM	#9
gabdx diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2008	Hi, I did more research and found that I could connect the volume pot to a doubled 6sn7 in triode mode connected directly to a LL1660S connected directly to KT88... The feedback would be feed to the cathode resistors 6sn7 cath. There would be 2 capacitors at the balanced ends of the LL1660S because I want to bias the tubes individually with grid bias. Shematic similar to the SUN audio amplifier for EL34 PP... LL1660S specifies 220 V R M S max