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Old 8th December 2012, 01:16 AM   #11
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Pretty sure I recall seeing it advertised for $139 some years ago.
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Old 8th December 2012, 01:30 AM   #12
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yeah the reason why i say its the end of the world is because the prices always go up but the income stays the same.

Were headed for hyperinflation I think, this is the main reason why I build all of my equipment inorder for it to outlast me.

I know that its offtopic to talk about politics but i've actually wanted to talk for a long time about equipment failure and how to avoid it, and that is something that we CAN talk about on here.

I wouldn't have bought Scott17's amp for example unless it had those paper in oil capacitors in it, PIO caps last forever.

I wouldn't have bought my new motherboard (asus p8z68 deluxe gen3) unless it had solid capacitors in the psu and it was horrendously overbuilt for the task of running a core i3 2120-T
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Old 8th December 2012, 01:39 AM   #13
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It's possible that I'm remembering it wrong but I distinctly remember thinking that kit was more of a toy than a real amplifire so I can't imagine spending that much back then. Naturally I no longer think of it as a toy after listening to it quite a bit over the years but back then, I dunno. The Bottlehead Foreplay looked far more impressive in person and it was my first experience with kits.

freax, you're a man who know how to think on his feet and is prepared for every eventuality. I like that. Once the world ends and the last roving gangs take over whats left of the earth I will make you my right hand man in my dictatorial administration. ;-)
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Old 8th December 2012, 04:12 AM   #14
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I recall two different kits - I believe the AES kit used 11BM8s (PCL82) and the K-12 used 11MS8s (10GV8/PCL85 is a close substitute - later ones were made with 10GV8). These two tubes have different pin connections - and aren't interchangeable.
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Old 8th December 2012, 05:38 AM   #15
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I recall two different kits - I believe the AES kit used 11BM8s (PCL82) and the K-12 used 11MS8s (10GV8/PCL85 is a close substitute - later ones were made with 10GV8). These two tubes have different pin connections - and aren't interchangeable.
That is definitely good to know.

The problem is that this kit barely has a name. To look at the board you'd be hard pressed to figure out who produced the kit, when and with which tubes. Finally, to make the game even more fun they used tubes that have absolutely no markings of any type on them. Maybe I need to take one of the good tubes I have into a shop around here that deals with all manner of strange electrical things and part to see if maybe they have a way of figuring it out.
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Old 8th December 2012, 05:58 PM   #16
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I've been buying "vintage" audio equipment on epay for over a decade and was able to buy some great gear cheap in the first few years. I remember passing up a Western Electric portable amp used as a replacement in the case of failure of the main amp because $400 seemed like a lot of money. Anyway, the price of vintage audio has easily doubled in the last 5 years and some of what I see people pay for decrepit derelicts is astonishing. We have to remember that we are competing for items in a global market place when bidding on epay and that exchange rates between currencies can make the prices expensive for some and cheap for others with strong currencies. I think this contributes to the high prices. I have to wonder how long these strong prices last and if this is a good time to unload all the piles of gear and tubes I have acquired over the years.
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I've been buying "vintage" audio equipment on epay for over a decade and was able to buy some great gear cheap in the first few years. I remember passing up a Western Electric portable amp used as a replacement in the case of failure of the main amp because $400 seemed like a lot of money. Anyway, the price of vintage audio has easily doubled in the last 5 years and some of what I see people pay for decrepit derelicts is astonishing. We have to remember that we are competing for items in a global market place when bidding on epay and that exchange rates between currencies can make the prices expensive for some and cheap for others with strong currencies. I think this contributes to the high prices. I have to wonder how long these strong prices last and if this is a good time to unload all the piles of gear and tubes I have acquired over the years.
I hadn't thought of it in those terms but you're 100% right. I just saw a news story where a man brought his family over from Europe to go shopping on "Black Friday" in US stores. The reason he gave was that even with airfare and lodging he would still be coming out ahead in regards to Christmas costs.

Now granted, he's probably buying a TON of things and is obviously well off but still, that story took me by surprise.
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Old 8th December 2012, 09:34 PM   #18
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Many things on ebay are now more expensive than they used to be. In some cases they are more expensive than buying in a shop or from a dealer. Yes, there are people who will pay more for an item from an unknown seller with no warranty than they could get it from a dealer.

Audio has now become a 'lifestyle' option so it attracts people with money but little knowledge.
I guess this must only be true for tubes.

I tried selling class AB and class d amps and couldn't give them away at cost to make prices !

I guess it is just supply and demand.
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post a photo of those tubes. and i'l see. the ECL86 has a very distinct triode section witch is ribbed. the ECL82 has a very distinct long flat triode section. and the PCL85 has a short boxy triode section. there is also the . this is by Philips types witch make up 90% of found tubes here in Europe.

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Old 9th December 2012, 02:28 PM   #20
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back when I first got into tube gear - it was 1989. No one wanted this junk except for a very small clique of freaks. I got my first Dynaco 70 - with a separate Lambda regulator to power the front end - for $100. I bought my girlfriend a Scottt integrated for $90. My friend was running all Mac gear - stuff that he bought for just a few hundred dollars - like the McIntosh 240, a pair of 60s, 30s, etc etc. Another guy stripped down an entire C-22 to build his own preamplifier in it. I got to see and hear many of the classic Western Electric amplifiers.

And the tubes! I saw boxes and boxes of original Gold Lion, Telefunken, Amperex, Mullard, RCA, etc audio tubes.

Back then, little did I know how the popularity of vintage gear and the tubes themselves would take off. Of course I was a poor college kid back then and could barely afford the Dynaco 70!
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