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Old 8th December 2012, 03:35 PM   #161
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IMHO a capacitor has a (maybe small) effect on signal even outisde his designed working area (i.e. in case of a filter in the 'unfiltered part of the signal).
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by the unfiltered part of the signal.
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I didn't agree with him... IMHO, DA and impedance (frequency dependant) apply on the whole signaland not only to the filtered part.
And again here.

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Dielectric absoption has a role, IMHO, whenever the signal passing through the cap is not symmetrical (in such case DA voltage would tend to be 0 in average).
Any music signal which has gone through a high-pass filter (e.g. a coupling cap) will have no DC and very little long-term asymmetry. Short-term asymmetry will not touch DA, as it is a slow phenomenon.

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Really, burn-in it's not a problem, just a thing we consider
I use the word problem to include things which need to be considered i.e. soluble problems. If burn-in exists, then it is solving the problem of poorer component performance and poorer sound which would result from burn-in not being done.
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please tell why that is interesting ?
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I know I must have missed something. After the short discussion of "burn-in" as a quality control method, that term is now being used in place of the "breaking in" of the thread title.
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Sorry, Clave used it and I just copied him.
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Old 8th December 2012, 04:31 PM   #166
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I know I must have missed something.
it was very finely explained in every single detailed aspect why it have been misunderstood, when 'adopted' by audiophile caps suppliers for marketing purposes

well, you know how it goes when that happens, and here we are ....again and again, over and over
it will probably never change

anyone want to buy Black Gate caps, I have a few NOS, and boy do I feel stupid every time Im reminded of them
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Old 8th December 2012, 04:42 PM   #167
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Did you break them in, T? OR did you just use them and found them 'wanting'?
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Old 8th December 2012, 06:24 PM   #168
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you seem to have jumped on to an example about which you have taken almost no time to research.

Sorry, I thought it was a discussion..I'll keep quiet you must already have all the answers..Please disregard my comment..I'm done.

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Old 8th December 2012, 06:44 PM   #169
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I know I must have missed something. After the short discussion of "burn-in" as a quality control method, that term is now being used in place of the "breaking in" of the thread title.
Well if components are considered defective if they change during "burn in" why should a quality component change during normal extended use or break-in ?

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Did you break them in, T? OR did you just use them and found them 'wanting'?
NOS

bought them long time ago from Audio Note
then thought I would save them for better project than what had in mind at the time

now, I don't even care to try them
I would rather buy brand new NIC's or Nichicons than waste my solder on them
probably even much better, and cost much less too...50 caps for a fraction of the Black Gates

hey, just 10 small black Gates could easily pay those other 50, or amybe even 100 good idea

but the 'shelf life' specs ? I have no idea about them
dry lytics for sure

I suppose a big hammer would be the right 'break in' for them
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