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Old 5th August 2012, 01:50 PM   #1
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Default Please Help: 6CJ3 Damper Diode Tube as Rectifier Question

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Old 5th August 2012, 01:56 PM   #2
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Hi!

You can use 2 damper diodes in a full wave rectification scheme with a transformer with center tap. As an example see here:

VinylSavor: Single Ended Amplifier Concept, Part 7

4 tubes can be wired as a full wave bridge and doesn't need a center tap. here is a wiring example with 6AX4:

VinylSavor: Tube of the Month: The 6AX4

The bridge delivers twice the DC voltage compared to the 2 diode rectification.

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Old 5th August 2012, 02:20 PM   #3
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While the forward drop in damper diodes is relatively small, it is still quite large in comparison to SS. Therefore, build the 4 diode bridge out of 2X "noiseless", high PIV, Schottky diodes on the "cold" side and a pair of damper diodes on the "hot" side. The sonic signature of the hybrid bridge is [b]totally[b] dominated by the vacuum diodes.

Added benefits of the hybrid bridge are reduced heater current requirements and avoidance of heater to cathode potential limit trouble.
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Old 5th August 2012, 02:37 PM   #4
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Thank you Thomas.

Also, thank you Eli for the tip. I will consider it.

My power transformer has center tap. See picture.

I need ~1300VDC to the power tube.
Could you tell me whether the diode or bridge configuration is better ?
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Old 5th August 2012, 02:38 PM   #5
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Hi Eli,

I do exactly that, when space is restricted to have 4 tube diodes. As in this latest 6CB5A build:

VinylSavor: Making of a SE 6CB5A amplifier: circuit

But ultimately I prefer the all tube bridge for it's symmetrical behaviour

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Old 5th August 2012, 02:44 PM   #6
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Hi!

Nice power transformer. If I interpret the spec correctly, it is 1400V across the entire secondary (700-0-700V). In that case, you can get about 800-900V with a 2 diode full wave rectifier. To obtain 1300VDC you will have to use a bridge. Use a choke input filter with a small cap before the first choke to adjust the voltage you need.

If you want to use 4 tubes, you will have to use at least 3 separate heater windings to keep heater-cathode voltages within limits. Or use Elis suggestion and connect the heaters of the tubes to B+. Watch the peak inverse voltage on the semiconductor diodes in that case! You will need to use several in series. You can use PSUD simulation to determine the peak inverse voltage and the size of the first cap to get your results

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Old 5th August 2012, 02:49 PM   #7
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Yes. You are right. 1400VDC from pin 4 and 6.

Thank you.

My amp has ONE filament transformer to run all 4 6CJ3 tubes.
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My amp has ONE filament transformer to run all 4 6CJ3 tubes.
Thomas has already explained that you can't run all 4 heaters of a vacuum bridge off the same filament winding. So, you must use a hybrid bridge. The easiest way is to use a series connected pair of UF4007s in each of the bridge's "cold" side legs. As UFnnnn diodes produce a tiny amount of switching noise, snub each SS diode pair with a HIGH WVDC 0.01 μF. capacitor.
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Old 5th August 2012, 03:27 PM   #9
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In my amp, the filament of each 6CJ3 is NOT connected to the plate or cathode.
But in Thomas' schematic, the filament is connected to plate and cathode.
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Old 5th August 2012, 03:36 PM   #10
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It seems like the set up in my amp is different than what is in Thomas' schematic.
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