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Old 25th July 2012, 09:05 PM   #31
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I think in the whole equation the tube used is of little importance...>>

I wouldn't agree with that at all. I only use DHTs because they sound better right through the amplification chain, not just as a 45/2a3/300b output tube. In fact they're even more important in the first stages than in the output. You're not going to get these tubes in commercial designs (with one or two exceptions) so the argument is theoretical. But for the constructor it's important because we do have choices, so it's a point of view worth defending.

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Ongaku are completely hand made...the guy makes his own capacitors...the transformers are hand made using silver wire....they are works of art...
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Old 25th July 2012, 10:27 PM   #33
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Ongaku are completely hand made...the guy makes his own capacitors...the transformers are hand made using silver wire....they are works of art...
Well, I agree the Ongaku is a work of alectronic art made by top class expert engineers, and are priced according maybe in excess of $80K or more.

A huge work for nothing, a pity there is no more USA NOS 211 tubes to use on it, the owner is forced to use chinese 211 that are cheap, sound so so and are unreliable!!
Kondo Japan could do a Ongaku GM70 version, a more reliable tube ready avaliable.
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Old 25th July 2012, 10:40 PM   #34
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A huge work for nothing, a pity there is no more USA NOS 211 tubes to use on it, the owner is forced to use chinese 211 that are cheap, sound so so and are unreliable!!
Well, if the Psvanes don't float your boat, there are 211's from KR Tubes and Sophia Electric for approx. 700 EUR/pair, and there may be other options for the discerning owner.

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An Audio Valve Eclipse (Eklipse) preamplifier:
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...That's right boys & girls, $4,500!
Good God!

Now, I can probably see where $1,000 would get spent making such a thing, but for the outstanding $3,500.... someone please help me here!

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Here something similar, I sell at $ 1000.
The Germans can afford.
Viva 12AU7/ECC82 !
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There are still plenty of NOS American 211 and VT-4C if you know where to look and are willing to pay to play. Not likely much of an issue for anyone who can afford to buy one of these amps, even used ones go for pretty big money, and don't believe for a moment that anyone who purchased one of these amps paid list price..
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Ongaku are completely hand made...the guy makes his own capacitors...the transformers are hand made using silver wire....they are works of art...
Sadly Kondo San died a few years back so he isn't making those lovely silver foil caps in this world any longer..

The entire amp was a work of art, you should see the inside of a Kondo product to appreciate the care that went into the design and construction of these things.. Superlative..
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Old 26th July 2012, 12:28 AM   #38
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I think that if Kondo San still lived, he would be here discussing with us about the Ongaku.
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There are still plenty of NOS American 211 and VT-4C if you know where to look and are willing to pay to play. Not likely much of an issue for anyone who can afford to buy one of these amps, even used ones go for pretty big money, and don't believe for a moment that anyone who purchased one of these amps paid list price..
Hard to believe this, these tubes may be fake NOS from Shuguang.
Shindo had a GM70 amp for around $17K, a competidor from Kondo would be good to the custumers.
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