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hifigeezer 19th May 2012 08:19 PM

Citation I and IV phono schematic query
 
Schematics for these can be seen here:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/citationsound/files/

Thank you to PCWolfe for posting these!

Please help if you can:

I am trying to understand the schematic of the Citation I phono section (V1 and
V2) but I am confused by the switching.

The turnover and rolloff switches list 6 positions, but the rolloff switch
positions in the schematic are numbered 1 through 5 plus 7. The Turnover switch
positions are numbered 1 through 7 and 9 and 10.

When the preamp is in the RIAA mode, can someone tell me please which capacitors
and resistors are selected?

On the Citation IV, the function switch has 6 positions but the switch
positions in the schematic are numbered 1 through 6, then 9, 12 and 13.

When the preamp is in the RIAA mode, can someone tell me please which capacitors
and resistors are selected?

I'm sure this follows some convention but I don't know the secret. Your
assistance is much appreciated. I see similar similar diagrams on the Dynaco
PAS schematic but they seem more understandable.

Thanks!

kevinkr 20th May 2012 09:21 PM

Those schematics are not available to those who are not members of citationsound.. I've got a yahoo account and that is what I was greeted with.

I would look around for a schematic that you can post here, or post a partial schematic including the details of the phono stage.

pieter t 20th May 2012 11:31 PM

Google is our friend:
http://www.triodeel.com/cit1phon.gif

pieter t 20th May 2012 11:33 PM

and Citation IV phono:
http://www.triodeel.com/cit4pho.gif

directdriver 21st May 2012 03:29 AM

Schematic of Citation 1 with better resolution.

http://www.quadesl.com/schematics/hkcit1_sch.gif


A modified Citation IV circuit by Jim Fosgate from Sound Practices.

http://i.imgur.com/FWOBl.jpg

Jim McShane 23rd May 2012 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hifigeezer (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/tubes-valves/212948-citation-i-iv-phono-schematic-query-post3029612.html#post3029612)
Schematics for these can be seen here:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/citationsound/files/

Thank you to PCWolfe for posting these!

Please help if you can:

I am trying to understand the schematic of the Citation I phono section (V1 and V2) but I am confused by the switching.

The turnover and rolloff switches list 6 positions, but the rolloff switch
positions in the schematic are numbered 1 through 5 plus 7. The Turnover switch positions are numbered 1 through 7 and 9 and 10.

When the preamp is in the RIAA mode, can someone tell me please which capacitors and resistors are selected?

On the Citation IV, the function switch has 6 positions but the switch
positions in the schematic are numbered 1 through 6, then 9, 12 and 13.

When the preamp is in the RIAA mode, can someone tell me please which capacitors and resistors are selected?

I'm sure this follows some convention but I don't know the secret. Your
assistance is much appreciated. I see similar similar diagrams on the Dynaco
PAS schematic but they seem more understandable.

Thanks!

I'm sorry I didn't get time to answer before this. Part of the difficulty is that multiple caps/resistors are in the circuit in RIAA. Here's the rundown for the Cit I - this is based on the Harman-Kardon schematic:

(Ch. A) C90 through C94 & R134; (Ch. B) C8 through C12 & R21

I don't have the Cit IV info handy, sorry. but there are so few parts in a Cit IV that it's easier just to replace them all. If you need more info why don't you contact me directly - I specialize in Citation gear.

hifigeezer 6th June 2012 09:11 PM

First, thanks to everyone who replied. I didn't look at the forum for a few weeks but I really appreciate these responses.

I found the secret decoder ring for rotary switch schematics ! It is explained on pages 10 and 11 of:

classweb.intellitec.edu/VideosB/Drafting/ResourceDocuments/09.PDF

When I get around to it I will tabulate the results for the Citation I and check them against mine. Once finished I will post them on the Yahoo Citation group listed above.

Thanks so much! Mr. Fosgate's circuit is especially interesting. The designer of the expensive Leben phono preamp called the Citation IV "a masterpiece of design."

directdriver 4th April 2017 04:21 PM

Citation IV schematic
 
I always have a hard time deciphering rotary switches in old schematics. Can someone please give me the connections for the phono RIAA selection only in the Citation IV? Here's the full schematic of two page PDF. Below is the simplified one channel phono section including the EQ switches. I want a cleaned up version of just the RIAA in place for a possible future project. Thanks in advance.

http://i.imgur.com/EP2XxUL.jpg

directdriver 4th April 2017 07:07 PM

Citation 4 full phono
 
My head is about to explode staring at the switches with the way they're drawn! I can figure out if I have the actual unit. I hope showing the full schematic of the phono section including all the switches might help deciphering the connections of the RIAA EQ network.

http://i.imgur.com/tX3mDU9.jpg

directdriver 9th April 2017 02:41 AM

Help!
 
So after 4 days, still no one can help me decipher the Citation IV's phono circuit?!


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