Tube phono preamplifier by 12ax7

siliconray · 2nd February 2012, 02:35 AM

Planning to design a low cost tube phono preamplifier. After searching on the web I realized a phono preamplifier should have the following features:
1. High gain. Normally 40 to 45dB
2. A RIAA circuit is necessary
3. High input impedance is needed for piezeo phono head
4. Low input impedance is needed for magnetic phono head

I found a very simple circuit designed by 7025 (12ax7), attached below. Is ther anybody had tried this circuit? How about the performance?

THe output impedance is 220kOhm, maybe too high for some power amplifiers. I think a cathod follower should be added.

Cassiel · 2nd February 2012, 02:54 AM

Quote:

After searching on the web

This circuit has been discussed here numerous times.

siliconray · 2nd February 2012, 04:41 AM

Oh...could you give me a link of the posts? thanks

Cassiel · 2nd February 2012, 05:19 AM

RCA Phono Stage Redux

aardvarkash10 · 2nd February 2012, 05:22 AM

lordie - Eli will be all over this one...

revintage · 2nd February 2012, 06:23 AM

Hi Siliconray,
Why do you expect this diy-community to help you design your kits? Why not hire a consultant instead as you seem to be in the commercial sector?

siliconray · 2nd February 2012, 09:09 AM

Thanks Cassiel. I will breadboard this circuit. I'm also thinking about Maranz-7 design. It has a cathod follower as output stage. I think a potentiometer is also necessary. But where to put it? before or after the follower?

SY · 2nd February 2012, 09:30 AM

There's already about a million companies offering kits based on these not-terrific and poorly-performing designs. Why not do something different? I would agree with Lars, if you want to offer something and your design chops aren't up to it (your last post confirms that), hire someone to do it for you.

siliconray · 11:55 AM

Hi SY, this one isn't a kit, just a trial project. Maybe we'll offering phono preamp kit in the future, but not this one.

I just courious about phono because many people mentioned about it at this digital time. I just want to give a try, my personal hobby project. My phono player is still on the way.

I wish I can find someone to do it, but it's not easy to find an experienced tube amp designer here.

BTW, what do you think can be 'different' from the other 1 million companies products?

SY · 2nd February 2012, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siliconray

BTW, what do you think can be 'different' from the other 1 million companies products?

It would be nice to have one with good RIAA conformance, low distortion, low input capacitance, high overload margins, and fast recovery from overload. If I were you, I'd spend a few days going through the preamp chapter in Morgan Jones's "Valve Amplifiers."

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morgan Jones

When we investigated power amplifiers, we looked at some classic designs to see how the goals were achieved. There were no classic RIAA stages, they varied from mediocre to plain awful.

2nd February 2012, 04:41 AM	#3
siliconray diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Oh...could you give me a link of the posts? thanks __________________ www.siliconray.com High Quality Audio Enclosures, Amp Kits, Amplifiers, PCB Fab Services Chat with me

2nd February 2012, 05:19 AM	#4
Cassiel diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Madrid	RCA Phono Stage Redux __________________ Hello

2nd February 2012, 05:22 AM	#5
aardvarkash10 diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Auckland, NZ	lordie - Eli will be all over this one... __________________ "Folks, you can't prove truthiness with information. You prove truthiness with more truthiness. In a process known as truthinessiness." - Stephen Colbert, The Colbert Report

2nd February 2012, 09:09 AM	#7
siliconray diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Thanks Cassiel. I will breadboard this circuit. I'm also thinking about Maranz-7 design. It has a cathod follower as output stage. I think a potentiometer is also necessary. But where to put it? before or after the follower? __________________ www.siliconray.com High Quality Audio Enclosures, Amp Kits, Amplifiers, PCB Fab Services Chat with me

2nd February 2012, 09:30 AM	#8
SY diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chicagoland Blog Entries: 1	There's already about a million companies offering kits based on these not-terrific and poorly-performing designs. Why not do something different? I would agree with Lars, if you want to offer something and your design chops aren't up to it (your last post confirms that), hire someone to do it for you. __________________ If there's a sucker born every minute, where do the rest of them come from?


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2nd February 2012, 06:23 AM	#6
revintage diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2007	Hi Siliconray, Why do you expect this diy-community to help you design your kits? Why not hire a consultant instead as you seem to be in the commercial sector?

2nd February 2012, 11:45 AM	#9
siliconray diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Hi SY, this one isn't a kit, just a trial project. Maybe we'll offering phono preamp kit in the future, but not this one. I just courious about phono because many people mentioned about it at this digital time. I just want to give a try, my personal hobby project. My phono player is still on the way. I wish I can find someone to do it, but it's not easy to find an experienced tube amp designer here. BTW, what do you think can be 'different' from the other 1 million companies products? __________________ www.siliconray.com High Quality Audio Enclosures, Amp Kits, Amplifiers, PCB Fab Services Chat with me Last edited by siliconray; 2nd February 2012 at 11:55 AM.

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