Amp ideas for my spare 3.3k output transformers.

[wicked1]

I've got a pair of O-Netics 3.3k output transformers. Obviously designed for 300b.

I want to build a relatively simple/inexpensive amp for a friend of mine, and was wondering if I can use these transformers for something other than 300b's, or if I should stick to what they were designed for.

I'm also looking for schematic/amp suggestions, as I don't want to spend a lot of time thinking about this, so I think I'll go by a preexisting design.

The tubelab amps come to mind, but it's been a few years since I last worked with tubes, and maybe some other simple quick to build amp designs have come out since then.

I'd appreciate any ideas you've got to help me get started.

Thanks!

--edit, I just noticed my forum picture is of my old tubelab amp w/ these transformers! That amp has since morphed and changed and gotten different transformers, and isn't really the same tubelab circuit anymore. Still, it was a great amp, so that is one direction I could go... again...

 

[Eli Duttman]

I think triode wired 6L6GCs will be OK, for about 6 W. O/P each. If you want to get the 8 or so W. a 300B yields, an AB2 setup is OK. G1 in 6L6s is rated for a a positive grid current regime.

 

[rock4016]

If your Iron was intended for 300B, then it is probably also designed for 90mA or 100mA idle current. If that's the case, I'd use a KT88 triode strapped. If it is gapped lower at say around 70mA then 6L6GC would work great.

 

[Eli Duttman]

Under stressing "iron" is never bad. I recommended the 6L6GC given the fact that the 3.3 KOhm primary impedance mentioned compares well with the 6.6 KOhm end to end impedance frequently found in PP 6L6 amps.

 

[kevinkr]

Strikes me that the EL34 triode strapped would also be a good match.. The triode curves for the EL34 IIRC are pretty decent, significantly better probably than a triode connected 6L6.. Most classic 300B SE implementations run at roughly 60mA, and this would be OK with a triode strapped EL34 up to 350Vp (eff) or if you are brave or have really good EL34s a bit higher..

 

[Eli Duttman]

Kevin,

Safe choices in current production EL34 family tubes are the EH fat bottle 6CA7 and the "reissue" Genelex KT77. Both are beam power tetrodes made in New Sensor's Saratov, Russia plant. I don't know if any good true pentodes are in current production. JJ's Octal production is, in general, very shaky and SED (=C=) seems to be "belly up".

 

[kevinkr]

Concur on the JJ thing, not sure exactly what is going on with distribution and production with Svetlana but I did find this: SED Tubes - Vacuum Tubes Manufactured in St Petersburg, Russia

Last time I knew New Sensor offered both pentode and beam tetrode versions of the 6CA7/EL34..

 

[costis_n]

Kevin,

Safe choices in current production EL34 family tubes are the EH fat bottle 6CA7 and the "reissue" Genelex KT77. Both are beam power tetrodes made in New Sensor's Saratov, Russia plant. I don't know if any good true pentodes are in current production. JJ's Octal production is, in general, very shaky and SED (=C=) seems to be "belly up".

I have JJ KT77's and they are not shaky at all. Very fine valves.

 

[rock4016]

Under stressing "iron" is never bad. I recommended the 6L6GC given the fact that the 3.3 KOhm primary impedance mentioned compares well with the 6.6 KOhm end to end impedance frequently found in PP 6L6 amps.

Some manufacturers rate the dc current for the air gap at the center of the magnetic flux for the transformer (Magnequest and Lundahl for ex) to stay in the most linear region of the magnetic curve.

So to get the Best sound, you'd want to use a tube that will idle at or close to the design center point. (presuming it is loaded correctly)

So, I'll re-state what I said eariler, find out what the transformes are gapped at (recommended current vs max) and go from there.

 

[kevinkr]

I have JJ KT77's and they are not shaky at all. Very fine valves.

You're very fortunate, the last JJ KT-88 tubes I purchased were not very good, and one failed catastrophically well within the ratings.. You could tell looking at them that the QC is pretty marginal, friends using their KT77 have reported similar issues. OTOH I have several pairs of JJ300B that are over 10yrs old and still work well, and have recommended these in recent times to others who report no issues with them. Jim McShane won't even carry them any longer because there were so many quality issues with the octal product range. I'm not sure why there is so much variability in quality, I've found the 6BQ5 and small signal stuff to be generally OK on a consistent basis.

 

[KrankKall]

Simple and inexpensive sounds like a 6Y6 SE amplifier?
If you Google....6Y6 amp....a few designs will pop up.
You're only gonna get around 3wpc, so efficient speakers are mandatory.
But 6Y6GA tubes tend to be quite inexpensive, although the beautiful looking 6Y6G tubes will run you a little more coin.

Good luck and Happy New Year!!
Steve

 

[Jebem]

Yap... Pentode and kinkless tubes can be used as Single End amplifiers... but for me, triodes are better at this job than multi-grid tubes... low anode internal impedance, good enough damping without the need to use negative feedback, better distortion behavior, lower noise... triodes only looses to pentodes at the Anode-Grid capacitance, something that a proper design will mitigate.

 

[DavesNotHere]

how about a 6as7G approx 3W with a 12au7 input each channel a section total of 2 tubes.