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Old 12th December 2011, 04:45 AM   #1
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Default Paralell SE 807 Amp design

Hi all,

I'm about to start my second amp project, and this time my goal is to use up some tubes I have in my parts bin. The tubes I'm going with are a 6F5 and two 807's. My main idea here was to modify the RH 807 SE schematic to use two 807 tubes in parallel for the output stage. Take a look at my modified schematic and let me know if you see any major problems. This is my first try at my own circuit, so it's very possible that I made some errors here. The first picture is my design, and the second one is the RH 807 SE circuit.

Let me know what you think,
-Matt

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Old 12th December 2011, 08:00 AM   #2
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I just noticed I missed something on the first schematic I posted, here is the fixed version
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Old 12th December 2011, 11:09 AM   #3
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Have you noticed that 6F5G is very different sort of tube than ECC81 used in RH 807 SE. You have biased this tube to too high anode current, or at least to untypically high, some 3 mA. You can get more gain and less distortion if the anode resistor is 100 k and cathode resistor 1 k.
This modification requires that you modify the 100k feedback resistor to bigger size.
Try something between 220k to 470k.

The output transformer should now be 3k instead of 6k as in RH 807 SE.
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Old 12th December 2011, 12:43 PM   #4
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I would also give each screen of the 807's its own 1k grid resistor instead of one 10k shared between the two.
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Old 12th December 2011, 04:58 PM   #5
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OK, Thanks for the info, here is an updated schematic with the suggested adjustments made, what do you think?

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Old 12th December 2011, 05:35 PM   #6
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Seperate grid resistors as well, right on the socket. The 10kohm in the supply is surely not intended to go to the OPT, but VAS only. Is that a so called 'Shade-feedback'? The supply will need more than 33uF, but I'm sure you know that. Aren't these tubes happier at a higher b+? With only 340V one'd think this is a class-A2 design and using low impedance OPT? (Of course it's not b/c the VAS cannot drive the output tubes in A2). What OPT are you using?
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Old 12th December 2011, 06:14 PM   #7
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I'm actually not quite sure what that 10K resistor on the B+ is doing there, should I just get rid of it? To get this schematic, I basically took the RH807SE schematic and added parallel 807 tubes to try and get more power out of it, I also chose the 6F5 because it's a similar triode to a 12AX7 section, and I have a particularly sexy looking 6F5 in my parts box. I am planning on going with a 3Kohm impedance OPT, but I haven't selected the actual model yet. As for the B+ voltage, I can get it as high as 400 or more depending on what I do with my power filter stage. I'm using a 5U4 rectifier and an RC-LC-RC filter. Right now, the PSU design software says that my B+ should be around 340 once the transients die out. However, the loaded output voltage of my power transformer is 440V before the filter section. I actually worked to get it lower since the max plate voltage of the 6F5 tube is 300. Is there a way I can raise the B+ for the 807 tubes and still apply a lower voltage to the 6F5? As for grid resistors, I was thinking 50ohms, is this valve within reason? This is the first time I've tried to come up with my own tube circuit, so I'm still trying to figure out how to correctly pick things like plate and grid resistors.
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Old 12th December 2011, 07:11 PM   #8
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Here is the most recent revision of my schematic, am I getting close?
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Old 13th December 2011, 05:01 PM   #9
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Here are some power supply schematics and curves from the PSU designer software. Right now, I have the 340V supply indicated in the schematic. This is what that power supply layout looks like.
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SemperFi suggested that a higher voltage may work better. By adjusting the resistors in the filter stages I can get up to around 440V out of the PSU. This next schematic shows the power supply configuration for 425V
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Old 13th December 2011, 10:10 PM   #10
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Youre getting there the 10k forms a filter together with the 33uF cap for the input tube. It is intended to go in series with the input tube's supply and decouples that (rather sensitive) stage from power supply variations.
The 10k going to the screen needs decoupling as well. 10k is a bit high, but playing safe for your first build is ok. Can always be changed later. Decouple with a 10uF (film cap if you feel like going higher-endish).
Edit: that resistor in series with the input tube, the 10k, can be increased if you need to lower the voltage for that stage. It will drop the voltage for you so you get the voltage you need. Ohms law.

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